Talk:Gateway Program (Vancouver)

Reference to Alex Fraser Bridge widening has been deleted.

This bridge was originally opened with only four lanes. There was additional capacity on the bridge and after only nine months the additional two lanes were made "fully operational." see: http://www.leg.bc.ca/HANSARD/34th3rd/34p_03s_890516p.htm#06811

I have found some references that indicate that this additional capacity may have been intended for transit: (see http://2010watch.com/projects/gateway.html)

Other reference to the expansion after nine months: http://www.transport2000.ca/malahat2007.htm http://deltan.ca/Transportation/Introduction.htm

I think that the original comment about the Alex Fraser Bridge should be reinstated.

Rob_ (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Rob. I found another source (Vancouver Sun) and added that too. I think we can safely call it a fact that the bridge opened with four lanes. Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 06:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

May 2008

It appears that large sections of this article have been rewritten and are now worded more like a public relations or marketing piece rather than an encyclopedia article.

For example "new Port Mann Bridge will alleviate congestion" is an opinion. Most experts and the overwhelming evidence of highway expansion dispute this statement.

"..improving the quality of life for residents.." also problematic

"... the SFPR alignment does not impact the Burns Bog Ecological Conservancy Area..." is contested. Some experts feel that the alignment will affect hydrology which will impact the Conservancy area indirectly.

Rob_ (talk) 01:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged this article as containing "news release" language. I think there are several statements that need to be rewritten or removed but I will wait for others to comment before making these changes.

Rob_ (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Small wonder

One of the recent IPs editors, 142.22.128.229 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), traces back to a gov.bc.ca office in Victoria. Sigh. Now it would be really, really nice if anyone who is unable to edit with a neutral point of view on this topic would consider refraining from making this article sound like a press release. Please review our Conflict of Interest policy. Thanks, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 08:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional Language

"Gateway road and bridge improvements compliment other road and transit improvements planned or underway. These improvements contribute to providing an efficient transportation network. "

These sentences seem overly promotional and do not seem to add any thing that is encyclopedic content. I propose deleting them.

"Vehicles idling in traffic cause a significant amount of pollution and have a negative impact on overall quality of life." Are there any studies on the amount of idling that currently occurs on highways impacted by Gateway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.170.120 (talk) 23:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the first two sentences along with some other fluff. This article is a mess. Thanks for coming by and helping to clean it up. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 04:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Do we really need to have not one, not two, but THREE photos showing protests about the program? That's disgustingly not NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.13.87 (talk) 05:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major Edits result in an artilce that is no longer NPOV

Major sections of this article that discuss opposition to the this project have been removed. I would suggest that these changes be undone. In the meantime it should be marked as no longer NPOV.R_ (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, the majority of the article before I changed was about opposition to the project. This current version only describes the project with a little bit of opposition thrown in. It is absolutely neutral. єmarsee ^(Discuss) 00:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is an accurate assessment of the previous version of the article. It contained 2905 words. The sections on opposition to the program contained 626 words. 22% hard consitutes a "majority."

10 of thousands have signed petitions opposing this program. Some polls show the majority of residents oppose this project. The majority of local govenment oppose this project. Opposition to this project is a major part of the story about this project. To obmit this information is a disservice to the readers of wikipedia.207.216.164.61 (talk) 03:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]