Talk:Catuṣkoṭi
Holy Wikipedia:JARGON, Batman - this article is a *mess* and would be worse than useless to anyone not already marinating in the field of Buddhist philosophy. Zero sharp (talk) 00:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- could you at least put a simple, succinct definition of what the catuskoti actually IS at the top of the article? Then you can go on to do. . .well, whatever it is you intend to do in this article. I (nor anyone else who reads it) has/will have the first clue. But since you seem absolutely adamant to use Wikipedia as a platform for your own incoherent ramblings, maybe you could at least throw the rest of us a bone? Thanks ever so much. Zero sharp (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- *heheheheeh* sure, u may have my leg-bone for Chöd when I'm finished with it... when I make sense of the scholarly ramblings, a summation will be evident, as will a summary at point of entry...patience, patience: mind training. BTW, Vasubandhu was a rambler...
- B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 03:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- could you at least put a simple, succinct definition of what the catuskoti actually IS at the top of the article? Then you can go on to do. . .well, whatever it is you intend to do in this article. I (nor anyone else who reads it) has/will have the first clue. But since you seem absolutely adamant to use Wikipedia as a platform for your own incoherent ramblings, maybe you could at least throw the rest of us a bone? Thanks ever so much. Zero sharp (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Proposed merger: Catuskoti into Tetralemma
Proposition: Whatever can be salvaged from 'Catuskoti' should be merged into the Tetralemma article; noting the use/meaning of the term in the Buddhist and Indian logical context.
- I disagree to a merger of Catuskoti and Tetralemma articles at present. A bridging article of comparative investigation and analysis would be valuable in the future, but unsound until the Greek tradition of Tetralemma is actualized and clearly represented in its own Wikipedia article. Until the Tetralemma Wikipedia article is developed from within the Greek tradition, merging the Catuskoti and Tetralemma articles is demonstrably: acculturation, misattribution and conflation of distinct traditions. These three charges may be tallied against much Western scholarship of the fourfold pure negation that has not clearly differentiated between the two. Hence, the profound, protracted confusion that is clearly evident upon investigation. Wayman (1977) proffers that the Catuskoti may be employed in different ways and often these are not clearly stated in discussion nor the tradition. This may or may not hold for the Tetralemma. Wayman (1977) holds that the fourfold negation of the catuskoti may be applied in suite, that is all lineal negation are applicable to a given topic forming a paradoxical matrix; or they may be applied like trains running on tracks, where individual lineal arguments are applicable to given situations and contexts. This may or may not be evident and true for the Tetralemma. These differences in particular establish contrast, texture and distinction with the Greek tradition and Dharmic Tradition of the Tetralemma and Catuskoti, respectively. Also, predicate logic has been applied to the Dharmic Tradition of Catuskoti, or stated differently, the Catuskoti has been viewed through the Greek tradition of Tetralemma, rather than as a distinct tradition in its own right. Though this acculturation and comparative analysis in some quarters has established interesting correlates and extension of the logico-mathematical traditions of the Greeks, it has also obscured the logico-grammatical traditions of the Dharmic Traditions of Catuskoti within modern English discourse.
- B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 02:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)