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shouldn't list include anthony rother? he's created lots of cult electronic music, including 'electro pop' album.

Electropop Musicians List

There are a lot of artists on that list that are merely pop artists who have taken electropop influences and used them in their own work. A number of them shouldn't be included in a list of "notable electropop musicians". Someone needs to clean up that list. I mean Sugababes and Hilary Duff?!! Christ....

An article that talks about a particular genre of music and gives a list of notable musicians from the genre should be mainly listing artists that have had something substantial to contribute to the genre. If there's a wiki article on jazz music should we then include Christina Aquilera as a "notable jazz musician" because her last album had jazz influences? Strictmachineaddict 10:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)IOI I agree but you are wasting your time on wikipedia, when it comes to music it is too subjective. Most people who are serious technopop/electro fans know what the genre is and they would know that Britney is not electropop. The actual wiki article on Britney classes her as Pop so why is she classed as electrpop here? Sources are important but they must be GOOD sources. I can find a source backing up any opinion but it doesn't make it authoritative. However this small insignificant article is not worth my time.[reply]

I did add YMO to list the list but it will probably be removed despite the encyclopedia of popular music listing them as second only to Kraftwerk in terms of pioneering electronic music.

Subgenre?

Who says that electropop is a subgenre of synthpop? COuldn't it be exactly the opposite?--Doktor Who 12:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. The intro now reads... "first flourished from 1978 to 1981 in both England and Germany. Electropop laid the groundwork for a mass market in chart-oriented synthpop, but later became seen by musicologists as merely a subgenre of synthpop." 9th August 2006.

The only subgenre SynthPop is New Wave and nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.29 (talk) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

synthpop has become a broader term to indicate pop made with synthesizers so of course electropop falls under that category. its pop made with synths after all. but as it wase made mainly with monosynths and 4 track sequencers it retained its charachteristic sound., compared to the overlayered a,organic or trancey sound of many synthpop bands today. synthpop and electropop in its orgin were the same thing (the synthpop tag just didn't catch on ). the ones making pop with synthesizer were called electropop...the ohers using synth but still relyin on traditional instruments like duran duran and spandau ballet were called new romantics. it was only once the american media started labelling all 80s new wave music made with synthesizers "synthpop"(and often with a negative connotation) that it became widely used. an electropop band is also synthpop...but a synthpop band might not be electropop.(if it doesn't have an emphasized electronic sound and minimal arrangement).

Simply wrong

Everything in this article is wrong. --Dr. Who 01:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you fix it, then? Be bold! :) Ianthegecko 15:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AAAHHMMM....DUB has been around since the late 60's. Just experimental madness and spin offs from rocksteady and reggae production. Because DJ's and Producers discover it in the mid 90's does not make it anything new. It would be a subgenre of reggae, as with Dancehall.

I agree, 1978 - 1981? more like 1978 - 1983 at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.196.223 (talk) 04:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yes the first wave of electropop infact dates from 1981 to 1983 (after which digital synths and samplers replaced analog synths) this article started off with the wrong foot and has failed to recover from that. the original author of this article confused the futurist movement of 1978-1980 with the electropop movement which peaked from 1981 to 1983. the first bands and records to be defined as electropop by media of the time ("smash hits" and "sound" magazines) were infact: Depeche Mode-speak&spell, Human League Dare (their earlier work fell into the category "futurism") and SoftCell Non stop electronic cabaret. the term stood for ELECTRONIC POP and was associataed only to those bands who were making pop dancey music exclusively with synthesizers and drums machines. there was a debate between Human League and OMD on who invented electropop....with OMD claiming they had invented the electropop formula in 1979 with "Electricity" but with other bands dismissing such claim as the song didn't have a fully electronic sound (it didnt have an electronic beat). i'm replacng 1978-1981 with 1979-1983 as it covers the whole scenario (even OMD's claim) and accounts for the massive electropop hits which were released up till 1983 (from yazoo "don't go" to eutythmics "sweet dreams" ,depeche mode "get the balance right"...with new order "blue monday" closing the era with its extensive use of sampling). the history section needs rerwiting and some of the description parts too..its one of the worst wiki articles i ever read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sequencer07 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mainstream artists

Please forgive me if I do so incorrectly, but I assume that the only reason Rachel Stevens, Hilary Duff, and Girls Aloud were removed from this article is because they are mainstream artists, but they all release electropop records. Rachel Stevens's Come and Get It is widely regarded as a seminal pop album (a review), and Hilary Duff's new album is receiving a similar reception. Girls Aloud were one of the acts that brought electropop back into the pop mainstream in 2003-2004.

In short, please don't remove artists and groups from the list because you don't like them, ESPECIALLY when references are given, as opposed to every other artist in the list. 68.185.182.12 07:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but if you're going to list artists in a "notable electropop musicians" list they should have atleast contributed something substantial to the genre as opposed to pop artists who have taken on influences from a genre. What qualifies Rachel Stevens and Hilary Duff as notable electropop musicians? Strictmachineaddict 10:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that they have sources. One of these days I am going to gut the entire list and leave only the artists that have sources declaring them "electropop." Hilary Duff, for instance, does, and will not be deleted. Rockstar (^T/_C) 14:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

they are mostly reviews of their music, which as I stated takes influences from electropop. I wouldn't consider them notable electropop musicians. Perhaps these people who want Hilary Duff and her ilk to be included in the article should make a separate list of people whose music is influenced by electropop - that would be more accurate. They are pop artists - I don't see how they've done anything notable in the electro field. Even Kylie Minogue her material is more pop that's only recently taken on electropop influences. The term "electropop" gets bandied around by pop fans as if every person releasing an album with even a vague synthesised beat is an electropop musician. Strictmachineaddict 02:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not what you said is true, Wikipedia is not a place for original research, and this project cares more about what reliable sources say than what the truth is. A better explanation of this can be found in the FAQs of WP:V. Rockstar (^T/_C) 05:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but Mixel Pixel and Lo-Fi-Fnk are notable.

Please note, [[1]] says "Any edit lacking a source may be removed." This wording would seem to imply that edits with sources should not be removed without a good reason. I know people take music personally, so don't be offended when I say your opinion is not a good enough reason. Please don't remove it again, Strictmachineaddict, unless you can find a fault with the sources or another source disputing the claim. If we were going to remove artists, the three in contention should really be the only three to stay, seeing as they are the only sourced ones. 68.185.182.12 04:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MUUUUU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.126.198.110 (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is Lady Gaga and Hillary Duff Electropop. I mean there lyrics arent even Scifi....There even under Synth Pop they can never live along side Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Human League. Lady Gaga album is too...modern day Hip Hop influenced...She is more Dance Pop out of anything. For female ElectroPop The KNife ok, Goldfrapp ok...but Lady Gaga? Besides most of the mainstream crowd doesnt even know what Electropop is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.29 (talk) 23:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right but in Lady Gaga's case (do not know about Hillary Duff) she is being linked to a new female electropop movement by several reliable sources. Genre descriptions sometimes undergo change as do words in general. We have the right not to like it but it still must go into articles. As for the two more modern groups you mentioned if you find reliable source cites that describe them as electropop feel free to put them in the article Edkollin (talk) 05:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]