Talk:X (manga)/GA1

GA Reassessment

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I have started this good article reassessment as I feel this article no longer meets the GA criteria. Specifically, it greatly fails criteria 2, with whole sections of unsourced text. It also heavily fails criteria 3 regarding completeness and : the plot is incomplete and more teaser than a proper plot summary and the article is completely lacking in a reception section. It also fails criteria 1 in that it does not follow the WP:MOS-AM, and has some prose issues. It may also be using the Japanese names instead of English for the characters, but this needs confirmation. I also feel it fails criteria 6. The infobox image is an image of a stylized text logo, which goes against both the MoS and appropriate WP:NONFREE usage and needs to replaced with a manga cover. The image of the characters does not add significantly to the reader's understanding as a whole, and has no source information. The image in the influences section appears to be used to support WP:OR, as it is not supported within the text by reliable sources. File:Kamui v. Kamui (X manga).jpg also does not add significantly to the article quality and appears more decorative than necessary.

If the article can not be brought back up to GA standards by April 12, 2009, it will be delisted as a Good Article and reassessed to a C. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced the image with a scan of the first japanese volume (had to crop it ever so slightly). It's not great quality, but the best I could find so far. I've uploaded it as a seperate file to the previous one, so it will be easier to replace it (will show up differently if the current file is replaced at the same location) Dandy Sephy (talk) 03:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how it fails. Let me enumerate: The "Plot" and "Characters" section don't usually require sources, but they are anyway for good measure. "Publication" is sourced with ComiPress, Anime News Network and Anime Nation. "Adaptations" is pretty straight-forward, no room for interpretation, synthesis or original research; but it is, nonetheless, referenced with articles found in EX: The Online World of Anime & Manga, The New York Times, Daily Variety, ANN, Animefringe, AnimeonDVD (now Mania.com). "Design", the beefiest section and the one most likely to require sources, is fully referenced to various anime sites, mainstream publications and interviews with the creators. If there's anything specific that jumps out as "needing sources", let us know.

The plot is "incomplete" because the series is "incomplete", but the "Plot" section does a pretty good job of summarizing what's available while avoiding "excessive details of twists and turns in the story" (from WP:MOS-AM).

The reason why there's no "Reception" section it is because I found no reviews of the original manga series. Padding a "Reception" section with movie and TV reviews would be dishonest. They are different mediums and cannot be judged by the same standards. However, the TV and film sub-sections of "Adaptations" accurately present the consensus among reviewers who've watched the respective anime adaptation.

The color image is scanned from the X artbook, while the B&W images come straight from the manga. The first one illustrates the protagonist, while the last one illustrates a recurring motif of the series. As motifs are visual, an image is more than significant and not "decorative" at all... At least, no more decorative than an image of a DVD Box Cover (which appears in most other anime articles with no significant added value). The second is kinda dubious, I admit, but it helps understand the influence of Christian mythology on the series. We could find one of a crucified Kamui, if you like.

So, if the prose needs fixing... go right ahead. If it needs a new infobox image... go ahead and change it (thanks Dandy Sephy). But I don't see any glaring problems and those pointed out seem to be no problem at all. Although, I must confess it has always troubled me having a GA without an actual "Reception" section (see Talk:X (manga)/Archive 1) but... whatever.--Nohansen (talk) 20:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]