User talk:Caden

Oh dear.

It is a great pity to see you retire; you were well on your way to becoming a valued contributor. I hope that you shall return someday. //roux 03:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Now come back and prove your worth, ok? //roux 05:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir. Caden ^{is cool} 03:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know if you would be watching here. But I agree that you should get your self back here and edit. Especially since your topicban has expired as of today. Congratulations, Caden, for completing it. — Becksguy (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holy shit man! It's over isn't it? That's super cool! Thanks Becks and yeah I think I'm back here again sort of. Does this mean I'm free to edit as I please? Caden ^{is cool} 06:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you can now edit the topics you were banned from. I will check to make sure that there are no remaining effects from the ban. However, I would strongly caution you to not "edit as you please", as that is what got you in trouble before. Please remember to count to 100 million before responding in anger to anyone (even if they deserve it). I will write up some hints that should help you keep yourself out of trouble. Good luck Caden, and welcome back. I believe you will be a much better editor. — Becksguy (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thanks man and please look into the possibility of any effects (if there are any) concerning my former ban. And yes sir, I will be cautious regarding future edits. Your suggestion for a list of hints is a good idea. If you can help me to stay away from any trouble with other editors, I'd appreciate that. Thanks for believing in me and for your positive support. Caden ^{is cool} 08:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please hold on before editing any topicban areas, I may have spoken too soon. See: [1] — Becksguy (talk) 09:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, not another ANI please. I don't stand a chance man. Can't we request a RfC instead? At least this way I feel I will have a fair chance. If more editors from all over the project who never interacted with me personally before get involved, then a more neutral and unbiased view can help. I want to be treated fairly. It's all I ask. I followed my topic ban, I stayed away from certain articles and my ban expired. Why must I go through more punishment? ANI's are horrible. My ban ended so why can't I be free? Caden ^{is cool} 10:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need for another ANI. See the note on your topic ban page. Black Kite 10:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, relax Caden. It's official now, the topicban is over. But forgive me for making sure as the last thing I wanted was to give you bad advice. All is cool now. Later. — Becksguy (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries Becks. Your advice was excellent and I can't thank you enough man. Caden ^{is cool} 12:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your input. Please see the latest issue I've been having with them – some people are trying to close down this discussion and move it into the piles of the previous discussion (although the issues are somewhat different) here. I'll appreciate your positive interference. 87.69.176.81 (talk) 12:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I love cookies! And you're welcome for my input. I just posted my thoughts on the ANI thread. I hope that helps. Good luck. Caden ^{is cool} 12:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at my talk page

–Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir I saw that. However, you still could have posted that you fixed a typo instead of making me look like a fool. By you failing to do so was unacceptable. Don't do that again okay? Caden ^{is cool} 09:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents

As to the mess, I'll just say this (and forgive me for being cliche): blocks are preventative, not punitive and in theory during the last year he's been here, nobody else has told him to stop. Although I agree he's a bully and a jerk, others have officially taken to warning him on his page, so it would be wheel-warring for me to roughshod them with further threats and even a block. I don't know why people want to act like because he's fighting vandals he gets to say whatever he wants (and we get to assume good faith) but that's typical around here. The last idiot I was arguing with was saying he was just joking with his insults and he should be allowed to rant wherever he wants. I told him to knock it off and another admin tells me to be nice to him, so I just say I won't deal with him anymore (even if he doesn't look like he will). That's typical. I'm watching his page, told the IP he can tell me if he starts again and will tell you the same (even via email). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir, they claim blocks are not punitive, but let's be honest, they are and so are bans. I should know. In regards to Keltie, yup he's a bully alright but so is Baseball Bugs. Why is Bugs allowed to continue harassing the IP? Why does Bugs get away with so much on wiki? When will his abuse stop? What he does is a form of abuse. Anyways, I'm happy to see that your watching Keltie. You're a good man Ricky and there should be more honest and fair admins like you. You've treated the IP editor with good faith and respect which others have failed to do. Caden ^{is cool} 11:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As to most points, it's because, regardless of the claims against it, there is still a second-class of citizenry here. As for me, when you work in the Eastern European articles for a few months, you get used to dealing with lots of new users, and that's one thing we need to get back to helping. I think it comes from focusing more on content (and images actually) rather than on playing with the vandals. When I started (wow, almost 5 years now), the problem was getting content and organizing this place, not nonsensical drama. We needed all the content we could get. How much has changed. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: he used to treat me OK, but unfortunately, he happened to give me the friendly advice to let go about half a second after I completely lost it. Needless to say, I wasn't in the condition to take the advice so now Ricky hates me as well. As you can see, I'm frequently changing IP's until I can figure out how I survive here.

Thank you again. Seriously. I just wish more people could look at situations as adequately as you do.

One more thought: regarding Ricky's "second-class citizenry" remark, I'm glad someone's not afraid to openly admit it. While Wikipedia claims to be a civil and respectful community, it is in fact a double-standarded bureaucratic zoo that runs on politics. I see no solution for now, do you? 87.69.57.241 (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]