Talk:Vorkosigan Saga

I'm confused as to what is the intention of this page (bear with me, I'm new here :-). Is it supposed to be the life story of Miles Vorkosigan, or an extended synopsis of the books in which he, or his family, appears? There are several episodes which are missing (in fact an entire book's worth): should I painstakingly include them, or is that TMI? Should there be more editorialisation or "just the facts"? Where should I look for examples?

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It's odd - google/wiki search for vorkosigan fails to turn up this page. Why would it do that? The page has been around for over a year.

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As of November 7, 2006, this page is the fourth hit on Google for Vorkosigan----

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Yes, I'd expect to find a biography of Miles Vorkosigan here. Perhaps the chronological list of books should be on a separate page for the Vorkosigan Series.

Alternatively, if each book had its own page, the list could be incorporated into the Lois McMaster Bujold page. Why is it that Ethan of Athos rates its own page but none of the other books do? Ethan of Athos is one of the least significant books in the series, IMHO.
Ekaterin 13:21, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

P.S. I have just added some chronological information about Miles' life, for the benefit of people who have never read a Bujold book. I hope you don't mind. Ekaterin 15:34, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Yep, that looks OK. Part of the problem is that the series doesn't have any official name: it's always been called "The Vorkosigan Saga" (see the Baen site or some such. So we don't have a consensus name which we could use for an article on the series as opposed to the character, although we could use that one if no-one objects. HTH HAND (gotta rush) --Phil | Talk

I've made lots more changes today. Did I get the order of events in Mirror Dance straight?

• Mark pretends to be Miles and goes to Jackson's Whole to rescue clones.
• Miles goes after him and gets killed.
• Mark is taken home to meet his family.
• Mark goes back to Jackson's Whole to look for Miles.

(Meanwhile, Miles has been picked up by House Fell and is recovering.)

• Mark and the Dendarii find Miles, who is still suffering from cryo-amnesia.
• Mark is captured by Baron Ryoval's thugs and tortured.
• Miles recovers his memory and tries to escape with Rowan but is recaptured. He helps Rowan and Lilly Junior to escape.
• Mark beats Baron Ryoval to death, flies over to the Durona Group and makes a Deal with Baron Fell.

I may flesh out A Civil Campaign more later, but I have to go now.
Ekaterin 16:07, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Bolding

Is all the bolding of terms near the beginning of the article really necessary? AnonMoos 15:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

No, and they should be removed. --Fang Aili ^talk 18:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Story ordering

Should Diplomatic Immunity be read after Cetaganda? There are several references to how Cetaganda operates, and it seems like Cetaganda might make them easier to understand. Ealex292 05:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Content Question

Hello, I have a story content question I can't figure out. In Shards of Honor, it is revealed that Negri, Ezar, Aral schemed to assinate the Prince and such via the Escobar Invasion. Cordelia learns of this from Aral. During that conversation she says "I see why the other agent must have been the chief surgeon." Does anyone know why the surgeon had to be in on it, and how Cordelia figured that out? Thanks, Dachande 21:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Generally, talk pages are for discussing the article, not the subject of the article. That said, I'm assuming that the surgeon needed to make sure that Serg died if he was brought back injured.--SarekOfVulcan 21:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my "illegal" question. If anyone else has a better answer please post for my curiosity and for the sake of wikiRules, it may help improve the article. Dachande 04:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The surgeon was also the (essential) source of various drugs used on Sgt. Bothari, and on Elena Visconti, without which various skullduggery, then and especially later, would have been impossible (or nearly so).

Remember, too, that Illyan was part of it. It's one of those things that only the reader knows when one gets to Memory, and the medical team is trying (per interim director General Haroche [Lois sneaks in one of her Heyeresque name-clues to character here]) to preserve the data on it. Of course, the only other people besides Illyan (whom we know to be still living; the surgeon hasn't appeared since Barrayar) who know the stuff that needs to stay buried are Aral & Cordelia, on Sergyar. In saving Illyan (but not an independent record of his memories), Miles is doing final cleanup for the Escobar Invasion plot. By the way, Aral was not one of the plotters; he was brought in as Ezar's instrument, not partner.

This is only one instance where points which make a telling impression on the reader who has read all of the early books. The reader who hasn't done so will be completely oblivious to it. In my opinion, one of the most delicious added pleasures of later books in any series by Lois is the complex layering. Readers who have read all the series see a real "squid on the mantel" (to use the term now long-used by people on the LMB maillist) in the scene in Memory where Miles has his first conference with Illyan's medical team. --Tygerbryght 21:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a problem here. Illyan didn't know about the plan to eliminate Serg and Vorrutyer. Vorkosigan specifically states to Cordelia "You are quite right in deducing that Simon knows nothing." Illyan didn't know, at least not at the time of the statement. And also, Cordeila mentions that only five people knew of the plot while on Beta Colony:Ezar, Negri, Aral, Cordelia, Surgeon. So, I am pretty convinced that if Illyan knew, he found out later, after the plot, most likely during vordarian's war, when he became Chief of ImpSec. I know we aren't supposed to forum on here, but since most of the content of these pages is plot based, any better understanding of content we as a wikicommunity can get, will help improve the articles we make, I think. Dachande 00:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

One of those snazzy boxes

Can anyone develop one of those snazzy boxes that goes at the bottom of an article with links to the main important things related to the article? YOu can find one at the bottom of Predator or at the bottom of any US state. I would include Main Characters, Saga/Universe Concepts (Vor, Auditor, ImpSec), Planets, etc. I got this idea from the Russian version of the Mark Vorkosigan Page. I don't know how to do this, and so feel ill equipped. Though, I may try to learn how in the near future. Dachande 23:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Serbian, Croatian

Reverted since I see know reason to show the Serbo-Croation names of the novels, since it isn't done for other languages or in other articles Vgranucci 13:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Reading Order

This section of the article is at best unencyclopaedic, at worst confusing and written like a review to boot. It needs either to be heavily re-written or completely removed.

I propose it to be removed and replaced with a "Chronology" section organizing the series according to its internal chronology of events. --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 19:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hah! I came here to comment on the same thing. I agree that it has to go. I recall seeing a chronology in the back of one of the books. I'll see if I can find it. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

No need for a chronology, since the sections are organized that way (as noted in the intro). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

It would be great if there was a clear list showing the order in which the books were written Bilz0r (talk) 08:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Vorkosigan Wiki!

New Vorkosigan wiki! - help me seed it! JAF1970 (talk) 23:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)