Talk:Unmoved mover

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Is it possible to add a section on the flaws of Aristotle's reasoning, or would that be POV? 68.122.97.87 (talk) 17:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Essence of Unmoved Mover = Necessary Existence?

A short comment: If the above is true, then Aristotle's UMM is not differentiated from Avicenna's God. The essence of the UMM is entelekheia, not existence. It's necessity is also distinct from Avicenna's use. Maybe I will add a comment in a week or two. 132.205.103.129 22:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is definitely a bias on this page which conveniently assumes all Aristotle's arguments to be true, and doesn't seem to be an accurate description of the Unmoved Mover but rather an extol to Aristotle. 169.232.122.40 18:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)Everlock[reply]

Cleanup

I added a section on Aristotle's reasoning, but unfortunately don't have time to track down a reference right now. I also note that the "Substance and change" section claims there were three types of substances, but only describes two. If I have time to dig out my old philosophy notes I will try to clean this up. --Culix 18:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

God?

Why is the concept of a god not mentioned once in the entire article? In fact, why is the word god not even on this page, even as a "related page" link? This is ridiculous, it is the fundamental concept of god(s), the prime mover(s)! Nobody can refute that this is in fact the same exact idea as the existence of a god or gods! Will someone clarify if I'm missing something? -Karonaway 04:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I'll add the article to the Conceptions of God category.

Just out mild curiosity

What is the difference between the Unmoved Mover and the First Cause? --Dominus Noster (talk) 16:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]