Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Household Hacker

Household Hacker

Household hacker is, apparently, a group of youtube hoaxers who "teach" their viewers to do things that are impossible, and have been shown to be impossible, such as running a TV set off of a AAA battery (impossible) or charging your ipod with an onion (proven impossible on Mythbusters as noted in the article). Household Hacker fails to meet the notability for web guidelines, as it is not mentioned in any secondary sources. Given this, it is therefore impossible to point out in the article that all (or nearly all) of the HH videos are hoaxes, since this would be original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RemoWilliams (talk • contribs)

In addition the page is an orphan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RemoWilliams (talk • contribs)

Keep - I am about to head to bed, so specific sources will have to wait till tomorrow. However, I would like to point out that neither making hoax videos or being an orphan are valid criteria for deletion. The only actual reason cited is "not mentioned in any secondary sources" which is false. A GNews search reveals coverage in several sources. (I'll state which ones I think are significant sources & why tomorrow.) The Household Hacker videoshave been tested by ABC News and (according to the nom) MythBusters. The fact that major sources are testing their "hoax videos" is clear evidence that their videos are notable. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This does not sound very notable at all. Vltava 68 06:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy and Wikipedia:Notability are not about whether something sounds notable, but whether it is notable. Determining that involves looking at the numbers, depths, and provenances of the sources available. This involves more than simply reading the article and having a subjective impression of how the subject sounds. Notability is not such a subjective evaluation. Uncle G (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned was incorrect, however, other than the ABC article about the onion/IPod video, the mentions are only in passing, and I still would argue that the subject is not notable enough for inclusion in WP. In addition my point about the impossibility of writing a substantive article without original research stands. It is obvious to anyone with the slightest bit of electrical knowledge, for example, that it is impossible to run a plasma TV on a AAA battery, however, I can't find a cite for it. Also, peanut butter does not remove scratches from CDs, but again, no way to cite without original research. I quote WP:Notability -- "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.[1]" RemoWilliams (talk) 11:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]