User talk:Alexpts

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Articles for deletion nomination of Danger Angel band

I have nominated Danger Angel band, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danger Angel band. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First, please read WP:DELETE and WP:AFD to get a better understanding of the process, and how to reply. You have to understand that Wikipedia deletes hundreds of articles about bands every day because they are non-notable. One of the reasons I AfD'd this one, rather than speedy delete is that because of the quality of how it was written, I was assuming good faith. The AfD reasoning was because the band was not notable - FIX the notability. This has nothing to do with playlists, or even questions about the existence of the band - it's about why is the band important? What makes it worth being included in an encyclopedia. In fact, I first asked you this question on User talk:Josh Parris, but saw no response for days before I AfD'd. it. For example, a-ah would not typically deserve any article if they hadn't hit it big internationally first ... much of their domestic success came after the international single. They meet music because of both "Take on Me", and the later domestic success - either themself could have been used to establish notability. Playlists, minor airplay, minor tours, visits from more notable singers do not give notability (notability is WP:NOTINHERITED). Tell me, really, what makes them truly notable?? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I did not even see that you posted on John Parris so that's why I did not answer back. To the point: If it will it more clear then here are some points worth mentioning.

First of all, the article was indeed written in good faith and out of the need to include this band along with other equally or less notable Greek rock bands that are already in wikipedia. The Greek rock scene is one that a lot of people find intriguing and there are several bands of all genres and idioms that given they were located more centrally, they would be international or world acts. However, their local importance is of quite some significance by itself. Even more because of the Greek music industry being inadequately organized to say the least.

1. Danger Angel are the first non-greek speaking, hard rock (or general rock to my knowledge)band to be signed by an established American label. There is no precedence to this with any other Greek band. 2. Danger Angel are the first Greek rock band to be able to officially include a singer of this magnitude to one of its albums (Jeff Scott Soto). 3. Danger Angel is one of the top-3 hot bands in Greece right now and the reason why they are not in any local chart yet is that the CD was poorly distributed in Greece and was "officially released" last week. I could not start to explain the reasons it was late but there is no point here. The CD was released through the American Label as announced, January 12. With the distributor absent here (because of their own reasons) they had to distribute the CD themselves and since they are not a certified label, they cannot give feedback on sales to any authority. The CD has sold over 2,500 copies locally already, so it could be certified as "gold" in Greece, however it is not, because of what I mentioned before. Another point is that there is actually no dedicated indie chart in Greece to record such sales, even if declared and registered and especially for indie labels from abroad. 4. All Danger Angel shows are sold out, all around Greece and the fanbase is loyal and growing. 5. Airplay is continuous in stations from Greece to Europe to the US and Latin America. No major networks, though, however constant, daily airplay from January 12 till today. 6. All Danger Angel musicians are notable in Greece, having recorded and performed with Greek rock or other bands for the past 20 years. This is not a kid band, but a band consisted of experienced, seasoned musicians. All of them already have at least one full release (some have three or more)in their past and they are all seasoned session musicians. 7. I made sure I waited until there where enough independent articles for the band, coming from media all around the world that would constitute that this specific band has even minor interest to people globally. The fact that there are already 2,500 people that paid to have them, while not having a clue what the sales are internationally, IMO, gives the band substance, notability and credibility. 8. I also made sure that this article is as unbiased as possible and did not include any band press releases, any opinions or statements coming from the band. I also did not include any forum talk or comments to any of the publications referenced, even if unattached to the band. 9. There are also several printed publications of and for the band in several magazines, mainly like the one that I have referenced already in the article and the band is referenced in a monthly basis in prints like that. Having the press interested in the band is a credit of notability itself since there are several thousands of readers interested in these publications, enough to keep the press interested.

Not counting the band value at all, this article complies fully with WP:MUSIC's criteria for musicians and ensembles

I quote from WP:MUSIC --> A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:

Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar) would generally be considered trivial but should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis

I don't know if this is enough for you, there are several things you cannot evaluate from a distance. Anyway, i would welcome your opinion on what I put down. Let's talk about this further. Thanks Alexpts (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]