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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 195.92.67.66 (talk) at 00:05, 29 January 2006 (→‎[[Kemal Atatürk]]). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Kemal Atatürk

An anonymous editor seems to want Kemal listed here. Kemal's WP article says nothing to support inclusion (and I'm pretty sure, frankly, that editors there would not keep any such assertion for more than a minute). The initial citation was one user review of a book on Amazon.com. The anon IP found some professor who has a personal page with an uncited "List of GLB people" of his own, which indeed lists Kemal. But that seems weak to me. Anyone else want to opine if this name is at all supportable? Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Most historians (to my knowledge) do not support the claim that Kemal Atatürk was gay or bisexual. We have all agreed that in order to be included on this list, there has to either be an admission by the person him/herself or a preponderence of evidence supported by most historians. So, I am in agreement that Atatürk should not be included. If the person intent on adding him has more evidence, then I think he could possibly be added to the Disputed section of this page - if that even is a good idea (the Disputed page). I'm in agreemnet with you - not an add by any means. There is simply not historic consensus about his alleged homosexuality. ExRat 06:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The fact of Atatürk's homosexuality is widely accepted and I would regard historian Dr. Victor Davis Hanson as a highly reliable source. His December 18, 2004 article in National Review states that Atatürk "enjoyed male outlets". I have added this article as reference. 195.92.67.67 17:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
These "sources" proposed by the anonymous editor keep getting worse with every iteration. Well, at least no better. I have no idea who Victor Davis Hanson is. I presume he has a Ph.D. since it says "Dr." in front of his name. And National Review is... well, a borderline reputable source. But the citation located isn't about Kemal at all. It's an article on Alexander that includes one passing clause insinuating Kemal was gay or bisexual. This "citation" barely ascends to the level of gossip, just like the others. Each failed attempt at a real citation (by the same anonymous editor) makes me more convinced the name doesn't really belong. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 18:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC). Followup: Hanson is an historian, but not remotely expert on modern Turkey (he works on ancient Greece).[reply]
      • "I have no idea who Victor Davis Hanson is. I presume he has a Ph.D. since it says "Dr." in front of his name. And National Review is... well, a borderline reputable source." Well, I wouldn't expect any better from an unabashed Marxist. Wikipedia has just declined considerably in my estimation. 195.92.67.66 00:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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