Talk:Asian fetish

This article was nominated for deletion on December 25, 2005. The result of the discussion was KEEP (closed early). An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

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Archives

Previous discussion can be found at:

• Talk:Asian fetish/Archive
• Talk:Asian fetish/Archive 2
• Talk:Asian fetish/Archive 3
• Talk:Asian fetish/Archive 4.
• Talk:Asian fetish/Archive 5.

Sections for deletion

Now listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Society, law, and sex. --Wzhao553 05:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The entire previous talk page has been archived. Since this talk page was getting both long and ridiculous, it is obviously in the benefit of all parties involved to start from scratch. What I wanted to do now was to do a AfD style voting system for both the Physical anthropology section and the Testosterone section. If you don't know how this works, please see the archive for the AfD for Asian fetish located here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Asian_fetish. Since the article will likely not be unlocked until this dispute is settled, I think the only way to handle this situation is democratically.

Also, everyone should remember to be civil and stay on topic. Please stick to voting, and do not let the discussion go out of control. I also hope that those of us who know how this works can help out those who do not. --Wzhao553 05:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

As I said, there is to be no more arguing over the sections, and definitely no more personal attacks. All the relevant points for all sides have already been made in the fifth archive. Please restrict your comments to straightforward voting. --Wzhao553 04:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Physical anthropology

Keep or Delete: Asian_fetish#Physical_anthropology_and_sociology

• Keep. I wrote it in its entirety, I looked up all the sources, obviously I support it. --Wzhao553 05:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but REMOVE Knußmann references. He has 715 hits on google and is not encyclopedic. The wikilink on his name links to a list of anthropologists on the German wikipedia where his name is in RED. See User:Infinity0/Vandal_report for more details. Infinity0 ^talk 13:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strongly keep both the anthropology section and the correct testosterone section, I initiated the whole section and gave detailed references . 80.138.158.108 15:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, I just don't see its relevance nor have I ever seen it mentioned in any writings about Asian fetish.--ThreeAnswers 23:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strongly keep scientific explanations needed, like anthropological, medical and biological causes as elucidated in the sections on anthropology and testosterone, afterwards we could still add a historical section to summarize the article. Remember folks, this is not about our feelings, but about the facts. The rest of the article consists mostly of anecdotal "evidence" and/or original research about individual people. The testosterone and anthropology sections are the only objective, scientific parts and are very NPOV, since both aspects that speak in favor of Asians and areas that may be disadvantageous are mentioned--Mr Phil 05:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I vote to keep along Wzhao's lines. If it becomes necessary I can become deeply embroiled in the matter myself but I trust that nonsense can be averted. "Feelings" lol, talk about projection and rationalization, really MrPhil ;) Heaven's knight 06:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep but REMOVE Knußmann and Mongoloid references. Those references perpetuate racial prejudices. Keep Sheridan Prasso's statements. Lycheng 06:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Week Keep Interesting speculation, might need some less WP:NOR sounding statements. Ronabop 06:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The role of testosterone

Keep or Delete: Asian_fetish&oldid=37923714#The_Role_of_Testosterone

• Delete. I've looked into this, and I simply cannot find any sources that directly deal with this subject. It seems like somebody just slapped some purported evidence together and formed his own conclusions. --Wzhao553 05:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• (Moved) Comment. Wzhao553, I'm disappointed by your stance, what's wrong, couldn't you figure out a good response to the section on testosterone and so therefore you want to delete it now? If you are objective and disregard any personal feelings you may have about the subject matter, you must admit that the section is much more rational and encyclopedic than the previous parts of the article dealing with anecdotal accounts of individual possible asiaphiles and reviews of movies. The critics here seem to put their personal feelings above article quality and want this to just be a hit piece that fits their own identity politics agenda. I can understand, if some teenage boys like infinity think that way, but from you I would have expected more objectivity. --Mr Phil 05:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I'm disgusted there is even a vote on it. I spent about 30 minutes showing that all the sources were complete bull; see archive 5 for details. Infinity0 ^talk 13:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strongly keep, see my comment above.The hormone levels are even the result of the positive Darwinian selection for paedomorphosis in Asia and are crucial in the matter. 80.138.158.108 15:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as original research and my reason for voting delete on the anthropology section.--ThreeAnswers 23:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strongly keep, well documented scientifically, the only reason Asian people here are voting against it is that they don't like the implications and it doesn't fit in with the ideology espoused at websites like modelminority.com --Mr Phil 05:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Let's not waste our time with racist nonsense. The world is not made for them. If need be long speeches can be made, but, I think the truth of the matter is easy to see.Heaven's knight 05:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep Has some interesting infos --212.251.72.145 06:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Week Keep Interesting speculation, might need some less WP:NOR sounding statements. Ronabop 06:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Very racists statements being made. The so called masculine traits are all very subjective. Lycheng 06:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I agree that the section should be toned down though, maybe present some counterevidence as well, too onesided --Luan22 06:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)