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What is Gnosticism??

I came looking for Gnosticism, but Christian Gnosticism redirects here, where the "fathers" are described but the theology is not explained in layman's terms. Thanks, people "contributing" to Wikipedia, for making Wikipedia utterly useless.

Off to a Great Start

Well I think that is a decent list Fathers of Christian Gnosticism. Any I've forgotten? We should work on fleshing them out and de-listifying the text. Any chance on re-phrasing the title to include the women? Bmorton3 20:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for fleshing it out so wonderfully. I was hoping someone would see my sparse beginnings and build it up. Excellent! SquirleyWurley 04:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK De-listed, and fleshed. Anything else to work on? Bmorton3 15:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! I just fixed a link and did some punctuation work in a few minor places. Bmorton, you rock! SquirleyWurley 05:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos to those working on this article! What terrific progress! -- Writtenonsand 20:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bmorton has to take the credit. All I did was put up a few measely paragraphs to get it started. Bmorton took the ball and RAN with it. SquirleyWurley 06:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Origen

Brian, did you write that Origin is controversially possibly a gnostic? What is the source for this statement and how could it be if we have the direct opposite statement here by someone who wrote a disseration on Origen:

http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/origen.htm

"In this environment, Gnosticism flourished, and Origen was the first truly philosophical thinker to turn his hand not only to a refutation of Gnosticism, but to offer an alternative Christian system that was more rigorous and philosophically respectable than the mythological speculations of the various Gnostic sects."

I don't remember which of the things I was looking at waffled on this one, but your source is certainly more persuasive that whatever I had. Bmorton3 16:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Based on this source, what you could add is that gnostic 'fathers' such as Valentinus had an 'influence' on Origen because their systematic approach prompted him to create a Christian philosophy that was more methodological than previously found in Christian thought. This trend would go on to prompt the development of a more 'orthodox' christian theology in the face of gnostic heresies, etc. Or something to that effect. Zeusnoos 16:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that would be relevant on the Origen page, but probably not here. Bmorton3 17:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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