User talk:Keith Okamoto

They still use the last names on FCW TV but I didnt add those names, they were in a different revision. But since they still show up in the name column when they make their entrances on FCW television, the last names technically should be there.

The divas title is referred to with the FCW name on TV, the Florida name is only on occasion and on the website, so I don't really care about that.

The crown IS a championship, it is defended on television and has been the main title of the division for a while before the divas title was brought. The website also calls it a championship and the way it is treated in the division says so as well.

Also I had nothing to do with the Riley thing, that was in the revision I used — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestling0101 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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I'd like to discuss a potential revision I made previously that was undone. It was this particular revision regarding the WWE Raw Wiki article:

02:46, 10 February 2011 209.237.94.89 (talk) (77,432 bytes) (→The Monday Night Wars and Raw is War: incorrect and un-sourced statement, replaced with sourced version) (undo).

There seems to be some confusion regarding the statistic claimed in the article (and several other wiki articles, likely from a misquoted and un-sourced factoid in a Brian Alvarez "Death of WCW" book). Having a look over quarter-hour ratings for the shows in question, there is no evidence that "600,000" people changed the channel from one show to another, and in fact the 600,000 figure actually represents (roughly, though also somewhat inaccurately) the difference in the viewers between two HOURLY ratings periods, and not specifically two moments in time (the Nielsen Ratings track ratings in quarter hours).

Furthermore, it seems confusion has arisen from the fact that the shows were staggered in terms of starting times and a fact that is often missed is that the infamous "butts in the seats" statement came almost an hour before the actual match occurred on RAW. Nitro lost only one tenth of a point between the two quarter hours.

Here is something I wrote up to discuss the situation in detail as far as examples of often believed but untrue facts in Pro-Wrestling:

1. 1) "When Tony Schiavone said "I just heard Mick Foley is going to become their champion... yeah, that'll put butts in the seats" 600,000 viewers changed the channel from Nitro to Raw."

This is probably the best one I can think of, because it's not a simple stretch of the truth -- but is totally inaccurate in every possible way -- as Raw actually lost viewers instead of gaining them.

If you look at the quarter hour breakdown of Raw and Nitro from the January 4, 1999 telecast, it looks like this:

      2nd Head To Head Hour
            Q3    Q4    Overrun
     Nitro  4.1   4.6   6.5
     Raw    6.2   5.9   5.1

The Mick Foley/Rock match took place between Q4 and the overrun, with the "Finger Poke of Doom" taking place in almost the same space of time, with Nitro ending a couple of minutes before Raw went off the air. As you can see, Nitro actually gained viewers between Q3 and Q4, while RAW lost viewers and then Nitro hit a big rating in the overrun, making the claim completely impossible.

More than likely, confusion arose out of the fact that Nitro lost about as many viewers as attributed to the Rock/Foley match between the unopposed hour and the first head to head hour, when Nitro’s rating shot down a full nine-tenths of a point from 5.5 to 4.6. (which amounts to a difference of about 300,000 households) Furthermore, the perceived bad taste of WCW’s move in giving away the title-switch gave this little “factoid” traction, despite what the numbers have to say about it. The rest is history of course. It's pure fantasy though, and the number has shifted around from 300,000 to 600,000 depending on what you read (viewers vs households). The Death of WCW book by Bryan Alvarez is often sourced for this stat, but he himself provides no source for the assertion.

In his book he asserts that "The biggest gap, not surprisingly, immediately followed Schiavonie's announcement that Foley The Joke would win the belt, as Raw hit a 6.2 opposite Nitro's 4.1."

This quote from the Death of WCW book is probably most responsible for perpetrating this story.

It's also untrue -- Tony's comment came right at 10:00pm, the start of Nitro's 3rd hour, opposite the start of Raw's second (end of the Hulk Hogan interview opposite the HHH vs Mankind match on Raw) The head to head rating at the start of the hour was a 5.1 (Nitro) to 5.7 (Raw). The previous quarter had Nitro at a 5.2, so they lost one-tenth of a rating point on Tony Schiavone's announcement.

Even if he meant to say the start of the Foley/Rock MATCH was what popped the big rating and not Tony's announcement, he'd be wrong too. Rock/Mankind started 5 minutes into Q4 of the last hour, nearly 50 minutes after Tony's announcement, where the head to head rating of Raw went down from the previous quarter. The Foley/Rock match averaged a rating of 5.50 if you average together the quarter hour and overrun it took place in. The "Fingerpoke of Doom" averaged a 5.60. I would certainly make the case that the Fingerpoke of Doom was the symbolic turning point of WCW into the point of no return (well, maybe we should reserve that for David Arquette) but the infamous statement is untrue no matter what angle you approach it from -- which makes it ever the more ridiculous that it's hung around for so long and is more or less taken as the gospel truth of this event.

So what popped the big rating, the 6.2 on Raw versus 4.1 on Nitro? The Al Snow versus Road Dogg match opposing Brian Addams and DDP on Nitro (Q3 of the final head to head hour).

So Road Dogg put butts in the seats, so to speak.

Here is the full-breakdown (These should be duplicated in the Observer Newsletter archives, and intimated in the link I provided previously as well):

January 4, 1999 - Nitro versus Raw - Quarter Hour Ratings

            Q1   Q2   Q3   Q4    Q1   Q2   Q3   Q4    Q1   Q2   Q3   Q4  Overrun
    Nitro   4.9  5.6  5.9  5.8   4.4  4.4  4.5  5.2   5.1  4.7  4.1  4.6  6.5
    Raw                          5.9  5.6  5.0  5.2   5.7  5.7  6.2  5.9  5.1 

209.237.94.89 (talk) 22:19, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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Apologies accepted

I accept your apologies. But you need to understand some things:
1) You have to stop to revert user's contributions without a reason. A lot of people dislike you because of this. Just look on your own archives. The majority of problems that involves you started because of this.
2) Do not edit war. Every time you get warned and blocked because of this. You want to play by the rules, you have to follow them.
3) If you do not know if the information added is correct, do some Google search before revert it.
4) If a lot of websites publish the same information there is a great chance of it be a real fact. Do not go by the "reliable sources" thing every time. Sometimes you have to use your own reason and good sense.
Hugs and kisses.

Reply

The reason you were wrong like I said about 5 times is explained at WP:NOTBROKEN. Wrestling0101 (talk) 00:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Once again read what I linked you to. Actually read it please. You are allowed to link to the actual wiki page and its redirects, but there is no point in changing redirect links. Read it and youll understand. Wrestling0101 (talk) 00:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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WWE World Heavyweight Championship

Christian is still listed as the champion (http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/worldheavyweight) on WWE.com, not Randy Orton. Please do not alter the "current WWE champions" page until Smackdown airs and the title change is OFFICIALLY announced by the WWE. TySoltaur (talk) 21:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)