User talk:Grobtak

Style of Articles: War of the Ring Campaign and Dark Council

Nice to see you've joined Wikipedia. I can see you've made a long edit to wikipedia's War of the Ring Campaign article, but these edits seem a little too detailed and not in the standard Wikipedia style. The article was fine beforehand, but now it is full of superfluous information making it (unneccessarily) longer than the War of the Ring article. It is also quite opinionated, in comparison to the neutral stance the article formerly held. I'd like to inform you that some other Wikipedians may mistake it for vandalism, just to give a warning. I'm not sure exactly what to do with this, but it'll definately have to be shortened. Perhaps you should move most of this to the Dark Council article, to which it more specifically relates (you failed to establish its notability, by the way), and take a good long read of Wikipedia's Manual of Style. I'll come back for the task of cleaning up these articles later. Grimhelm 22:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC) (yes, that is me from the War of the Ring)

"I can see you've made a long edit to wikipedia's War of the Ring Campaign article, but these edits seem a little too detailed and not in the standard Wikipedia style. The article was fine beforehand, but now it is full of superfluous information making it (unneccessarily) longer than the War of the Ring article. "

I just added some information, what's wrong with that? If you want information you don't need to read it all, you can always just skim it. And what do you mean, different style? I just edited the original page and added information, and I don't think I used a different style.

"It is also quite opinionated, in comparison to the neutral stance the article formerly held."

Is it? It looks quite neutral to me. What I said was either based on hard facts, or the opinions of the players. For example, the "Ruthless efficiency of the dark council" bit was picked directly from the good forum. I admit that I can't be sure just how much influence the alliance of Light had, but that was also taken from what the good players said. Most of them were under the opinion that they didn't need a council, and few listened to you. The dark council however, was widely seen as the leaders of evil, according to what was said on the forums of both good and evil. Also, I did say that good copied the strike forces idea from evil. This might make it seem biased, but if I remember correctly good didn't deny this. They did say, however, that since evil got it from Storm of chaos, good was allowed to use it too. Which is true. If my information is incorrect, please say so, but be more specific. Or if you want, I can remove that part entirely, since it is not that relevant anyway.

"I'd like to inform you that some other Wikipedians may mistake it for vandalism, just to give a warning."

Vandalism? According to Wikipedia, vandalism is intentionally adding false information or remove existent info. What I did was add unbiased information to an existing article. I fail to notice how anyone could see that as vandalism.

"I'm not sure exactly what to do with this, but it'll definitely have to be shortened. "

Once again, why? Just read what information you wish, skip the rest. it is impossible to read everything that is on wikipedia, but the idea is that you can find it if you want to. So if someone wants a detailed report on the war of the ring, it is there now. What's wrong with that?

"Perhaps you should move most of this to the Dark Council article, to which it more specifically relates"

Not really. What I wrote is about how the campaign went. I think it is a lot more logical to put it in the War of the Ring article.

"and take a good long read of Wikipedia's Manual of Style."

I did, but I don't seem to have done anything wrong. If I have, could you please be more specific?

Please reply soon.

Grobtak, 10:51, 11 March 2006