Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/-Ril- 2/Evidence

I have no reason to support Ril, quite the contrary. But the suggestion that User:Melissadolbeer and her various socks are controlled by Ril is patently absurd. --Doc ^ask? 17:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Why would anyone seriously say you're a sockpuppet of -Ril-? Why did she stop editing in July, and start editing again when -Ril- got indefinitely blocked in august? Furthermore, if she was a real user, why were *all* of her edits during that period about -Ril-? --Phroziac ♥♥♥♥ 03:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and i forgot to comment...apparently you are a sockpuppet of -Ril-, so we can't believe you. ;) *giggle*. --Phroziac ♥♥♥♥ 05:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Dmcdevit, who told me about this, let me think that he was telling me that she was Ril. But *now* he tells me she was just stalking him. *shrug*. Still sounds sockpuppety to me. Perhaps an arbitrator could do a checkuser..Dwho and SallyGold are definitely melissadolbeer sockpuppets. --Phroziac ♥♥♥♥ 22:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Melissadolbeer had a whole network of abusive socks, which warred with Ril over the Authentic Matthew fiasco. After Ril left in September 2005, Authentic Matthew was sorted and Melissa went quiet. But there is some evidence that this user may be back to the old tricks again (although the primary account is dormant). She seems to reappear anytime Ril becomes active. But that is probably due to lurking with a vendetta, she is not Ril's sockpuppet unless he is quite insane (and I see no evidence of that). --Doc ^ask? 01:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, she seems to have made several socks recently, Dwho (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and SallyGold (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I suppose i was wrong earlier.--Phroziac ♥♥♥♥ 02:42, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's my opinion that Melissadolbeer is herself a sockpuppet of a more longstanding user that is part of the community, but doesn't want to associate themselves publicly with her edits. However, I don't really have much of an idea who it might be.

Bacchiad (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) is the only suggestion I can come up with, examining the "what links here" chain from melissadolbeer's postings, and they certainly have an edit history that overlaps with melissadolbeer's (i.e. not being here for a large period of time, and then suddenly re-appearing recently), and seems to edit articles about flaky theories about Christianity. Nevertheless, the small number of edits that Bacchiad makes, and the gaps in the edit history, make it appear that Bacchiad is itself a sockpuppet, so I'm not sure what this would imply. A checkuser on Bacchiad with Melissadolbeer's most recent socks might throw some light on this.

Apart from that, Melissadolbeer's edits are on such a small range of articles, and so very similar to each other, that it is difficult to get much of an idea about what to compare other editors edits to. --Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 15:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I think Ril's thesis here is plausible, although it is also possible that that sockpupperteer simply lurks for months on end. If anyone so enabled is willing, some checkusering about User:Melissadolbeer User:Poorman User:Mikefar and the nexus of blocked socks might yield some results. This is a badly-behaved, highly disruptive and abusive tinfoilhat pov-pusher who has got away with it because the community has focused on the related behaviour of Ril and ignored this.--Doc ^ask? 15:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is Bacchiad's edit pattern over time. It matches Melissadolbeer's rather well (when you take into account the editing of her other sockpuppets). --Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 17:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An Alternative Hypothesis: "Ventriloquism"

I have a different theory. Melissadolbeer only shows up to quarrel with -Ril-. Either she has some agenda against -Ril-, and is herself a sockpuppet of a troll who has an agenda against -Ril-, or she is an alter ego of -Ril-. My hypothesis for the latter is that -Ril- is the ventriloquist, and Melissadolbeer is the ventriloquist's dummy, a puppet who insults the puppetmaster and engages in personal attacks against the puppetmaster as a performance. In any case, Melissadolbeer and all related puppets should be banned. The ArbCom does not need to decide whether Melissadolbeer is or is not -Ril-. Robert McClenon 16:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Melissadolbeer created Authentic Matthew. I merged what was salvagable from it, and redirected the rest out of existance. She restored it, so I put it up for AFD. During the AFD she created several sockpuppets to protest the vote, flood the vote with huge quotes from the article, and tried to have me RFARed, claiming that Doc Glasgow, JamesGibbon, Fish Supper, Slrubenstien, CheeseDreams, and just about everyone else who voted delete, was a sock puppet of mine. Ever since, she has repeated that claim, copying and pasting various versions of it all over wikipedia. You appear to be doing the same. --Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 17:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]