Talk:Phosphoric acids and phosphates
This comment by Walkerma is copied from Talk:Phosphoric acid:
- Looks like you're making good progress on your temp page, Henry. A couple of suggestions- (a) Don't forget the biochemical importance of the conjugate bases- there is a whole page on pyrophosphate, and if you search on "triphosphate" you find a lot of pages containing the word. (b) Could I suggest that phosphate esters DO belong on the page, but phosphite esters are at a different oxidation state and should be considered separately IMHO. I will be writing a page on phosphite esters later in the summer, with a view to writing up the Horner-Wadsworth-Emmons reaction that uses them. Keep up the good work, Walkerma 02:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, I moved this temp page contents to the regular article page Phosphoric acids and Phosphates. I'm sorry about the delay, but it took me a while to make the main illustration for it.
- Looks like you're making good progress on your temp page, Henry. A couple of suggestions- (a) Don't forget the biochemical importance of the conjugate bases- there is a whole page on pyrophosphate, and if you search on "triphosphate" you find a lot of pages containing the word. (b) Could I suggest that phosphate esters DO belong on the page, but phosphite esters are at a different oxidation state and should be considered separately IMHO. I will be writing a page on phosphite esters later in the summer, with a view to writing up the Horner-Wadsworth-Emmons reaction that uses them. Keep up the good work, Walkerma 02:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Regarding remark a) above: I agree there is biological importance in the conjugate bases, including pyrophosphate and "triphosphate". There is a separate article on polyphosphates which can cover those in detail. Additionally, I plan to add a few remarks to the Phosphoric acids and Phosphates, but I don't plan to go on at length about these in this article since I believe they can be covered in other Wikipedia articles about phosphates. If someone like Walkerma wants to add mention or discussion on these biological phospates in the Phosphoric acids and Phosphates article nevertheless, go ahead and do it.
- Early this morning, I briefly added a little more to this article on polyphosphates and phosphate esters, mentioning that there are various biochemically important phosphate esters, and mentioning ADP and ATP as examples. H Padleckas 08:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- Regarding remark b) above: I just barely mentioned Phosphite esters in the Phosphoric acids and Phosphates article to compare them with phosphate esters and beyond defining them, I don't plan to go into much further detail about them. Are you (Walkerma) still planning to write a Phosphite ester article? Last time, it seemed the Phosphite ester link was red to me. No hurry though, although I may some day start a bare backbone stub about them, and leave it to you (Walkerma) to finish it. But in the meantime, I would like to write something for Orthophosphoric acid probably first. H Padleckas 09:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
- Regarding remark a) above: I agree there is biological importance in the conjugate bases, including pyrophosphate and "triphosphate". There is a separate article on polyphosphates which can cover those in detail. Additionally, I plan to add a few remarks to the Phosphoric acids and Phosphates, but I don't plan to go on at length about these in this article since I believe they can be covered in other Wikipedia articles about phosphates. If someone like Walkerma wants to add mention or discussion on these biological phospates in the Phosphoric acids and Phosphates article nevertheless, go ahead and do it.
I look upon this page as a sort of unifying introductory or summary page for the various kinds of phosphoric acids and phosphates. There are links to individual articles about the different kinds of phosphates such as orthophosphoric acid, pyrophosphate, polyphosphate, etc. where these individual phosphates are covered in more detail. Generally, I'm trying to keep detailed information on a single phosphate form not relevant to the other phosphates (not even by way of comparison) out of this article and in the individual compound articles. H Padleckas 09:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for this, Henry, this is a very nice "family" page that gives a good overview of this important class of compounds. We need to make sure it is linked from all appropriate places, such as Adenosine triphosphate, so it gets the use it deserves. I certainly haven't forgotten phosphite ester, in fact I have begun my reading on this topic, and it is still listed on the "to-do" section of my user page- I expect to put something up next month. Walkerma 03:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- Don't overwork yourself. It's only Wikipedia. H Padleckas 08:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for this, Henry, this is a very nice "family" page that gives a good overview of this important class of compounds. We need to make sure it is linked from all appropriate places, such as Adenosine triphosphate, so it gets the use it deserves. I certainly haven't forgotten phosphite ester, in fact I have begun my reading on this topic, and it is still listed on the "to-do" section of my user page- I expect to put something up next month. Walkerma 03:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Article name
Shouldn't this article be renamed Phosphoric acids and phosphates, to comply with the guidelines at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lowercase second and subsequent words in titles?
Ben 19:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I have just recategorised phosphorus acid from a stub to a disambiguation page, but wondered if it should actually be a redirect to (for example) this page. My inorganic chemistry is a bit too rusty to know if "Phosphorus acid" is valid or a mis-understanding of chemical nomenclature.Que (talk) 23:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- I take that back, it should probably be a disambig page, but perhaps a little more helpful to people who are not sure what they are looking for. I wouldn't know which of those entries to choose from.Que (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The IUPAC name
If the IUPAC name is "phosphoric acid" meaning orthophosphoric acid, then the comment that "even some chemists" call it that is totally backwards. Or should we assume that chemists attempt to NOT comply with IUPAC nomenclature? Both this article and the orthop. one have this surprized tone that chemists actually use the IUPAC name. Wow!71.31.153.56 (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)