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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by DJWeb (talk | contribs) at 09:07, 3 July 2011. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.


Hi, and welcome to my User Talk page! For new discussions, I prefer you add your comments at the very bottom and use a section heading (e.g., by using the "+" tab at the top of this page). I will respond on this page unless specifically requested otherwise.

Volume !

Excusez-moi, mais pourquoi avoir retiré le comité de lecture de l'article Volume, d'un coup, sans mot dire ? Cordialement, Vvolume (talk) 10:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I did provide a justification: WP:NOTADIRECTORY. If you check other articles on academic journals, you'll see that we don't give listings for editorial boards, nor for associate editors and such, for that matter. We only list the editor-in-chief. --Crusio (talk) 10:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think I made all of the quotes up? Do you want me to send you the pdfs? You probably have access to Cairn.info via your laboratory, if you want to check - you can actually see a portion of the sentences quoted here: http://www.cairn.info/resultats_recherche.php?searchTerm=%22%C3%A0+la+revue+Volume%22 and here: http://www.cairn.info/resultats_recherche.php?searchTerm=%22%2C+la+revue++interdisciplinaire+Copyright+Volume+!%22. Cordially, Zamuse (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Diary of an Angel

Dear CruSio, I received a message from you regarding my page... they say that there is no evident of the diary existence but they are plenty of sites in Google referring to it and numerous images of the artists involved... how do I proceed to prove its existence? Thanks Halkios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halkios (talkcontribs) 11:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC) .[reply]

  • Well, showing that it exists is going to be the least of your problems. The most important thing is that you show that this subject is notable (in the WP sense). For this, you need independent reliable sources. MySpace pages are not going to help much. I didn't find anything on Google, but perhaps you know of good sources. Add those to the article and, if sufficient, I'll remove the PROD tag. Please also read WP:MOS and WP:POV, which may help you in editing this (and other) articles. --Crusio (talk) 12:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This Diary is unique by nature, traveling among countries, and still for another year, the only proof is taking pictures of it and the written testimonies, in Facebook and Myspace or other websites, by the writers, but I see no other mean to improve it, would you advice any other way, the 90 so far artists who are the actual authors of this book, so not only one, how can they prove its notability, since its traveling now for 3 years? event that still undergoes, meaning it is already news... should I contact, newspapers in this case? I don't see my case listed, how does an event that last 4 years cannot be proved by 90 members if so who can? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halkios (talkcontribs) 15:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wikipedia only accepts content that is verifiable) in independent reliable sources. That means that a blog that I write cannot be used as a source, which seems rather obvious, I could write absolute nonsense on my blog (such as: "The moon has been shown to be made of green cheese"), but that doesn't make it true. If the only sources you have are MySpace and blogs, you should blank the page and request deletion. Otherwise, somebody will take it to AfD and it will be much more difficult to re-create after an AfD has come to a "delete" decision. If your art project is such a major event, surely newspapers have taken an interest and reported about it. Those would be excellent sources. If, however, only the 90 people involved have taken note of the project, then I'm afraid that this is not going to pass and will be deleted. Hope this helps. --Crusio (talk) 15:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the prompt reply. I will be deleting the page. One more request, would it be better if I await its publication when the journey is over? but how this would allow me to prove that it really passed by all those countries? Merci. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halkios (talkcontribs) 16:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, as I said above, you'll need independent sources that confirm the diary has passed through those countries. Unfortunately, it's not enough that you yourself say that, it has to be verifiable. --Crusio (talk) 16:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that the original NAC close will ill advised (I use to do a lot of NACs and I wouldn't have touched this one) I would ask that in the future that you don't revert any closes for AFDs you have !voted in. The best thing to do in cases like this is to ask an administrator to review the close.

BTW I almost closed it but decided to relist it instead. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, you're right, sorry about that, and I'll contact you or another admin next time (let's hope that won't be necessary...). I guess I just got a bit too irritated with all those ill-advised NACs. If I had been a little more patient, I wouldn't have needed to revert anyway, as Salvio giuliano was reverting the whole lot of them. --Crusio (talk) 06:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Volume !

Hi the refs are about the state of popular music studies in France, justifying the existence of Volume… Thanks Zamuse (talk) 14:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I understand that. However, as far as I see, this violates WP:SYNTH and does not belong in this article. --Crusio (talk) 14:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Je vous comprends très bien aussi, mais comme l'argument justifie l'existence d'une revue sur les musiques populaires en France (raison pour laquelle les créateurs de l'association qui publie la revue l'ont créée), ça semble correct, non ? Zamuse (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, unless the source says something like "because of the situation in France a journal was needed and that should be Volume!", you cannot conclude from the fact that the source says something about the situation in France that this means the journal was needed, even if this seems obvious to you. In WP you need independent reliable sources to support such kind of statements. I'll put a "welcome" template on your talk page with some links to useful guidelines and policies. --Crusio (talk) 17:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • But if that is what the journal's founders thought back then? Can't I combine what they say (we believed a specific scholarly space for popular music studies was necessary) and what other scholars said (that that space didn't exist)? According to WP, this is too far-fetched? Thanks for your patience. Zamuse (talk) 13:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
J'avais bien compris cet argument. Il s'agit d'autre chose ici : la revue fut créée pour répondre à un manque. Or ce manque existait, comme le soutiennent certains universitaires. Ce n'est pas un argument tiers qui découle de A + B. Tout simplement A (pas de revue de recherche sur les musiques populaires au moment de la création de Volume !, attesté par des spécialistes) qui conditionne B (le désir de répondre à ce manque en créant Volume !). La chaîne logique n'est pas la même. L'objectif de la revue : répondre à un besoin par ailleurs attesté par des chercheurs. Il n'y a que deux chaînons logiques, pas trois. L'ajout de propos d'universitaires ne dit rien de Volume ! en soi, certes, mais pour que nous puissions dire que tels étaient nos objectifs, il faut "sourcer", comme on nous le demande systématiquement sur WP. Donc je ne vois guère ce que je peux faire, entre l'injonction de "sourcer" et votre position, qui me semble un peu abusive. Cordialement Zamuse (talk) 18:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marketing Science page relocated to Marketing Science (journal)

Crusio, it seems that while I was editing Marketing science, you simultaneously changed it to Marketing science (journal), so I ran into an locking issue.

I don't know how to get around the redirection. Could you either please create a separate Marketing science page, or take the content that I wrote at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marketing_Science_(journal)&oldid=436511177 and use that for the new page? Thanks. Daviding (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I figured it out, and removed the redirection at Marketing science with the content that I wrote. Daviding (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice edit

I ran across this edit and I wanted to thank you for it. Nice work. Jesanj (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AJO-DO

Yesterday when writing an article for a magazine I found to my surprise that one of the leading journals in our field was not even mentioned in wikipedia. So in some minutes I created that entry, BUT the reason I was looking for the journal in the web actually was that I searched the year it changed it´s name. I didn´t find it. But thanks to you within 24 hours I now have it! And thanks for making that entry looking wikipedia-like ;-)

DJWeb (talk) 09:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]