Talk:British nobility

No such thing as British nobility

Neither the United Kingdom (1801 to present), nor any of its predecessor realms in interest - including the Kingdom of Great Britain (1707-1801), the Kingdom of Ireland (1542-1801), the Kingdom of England (c. 9th century - 1707) or the Kingdom of Scots (c. 843-1707), etc., etc. has ever had a nobility - with one exception.

England had an all-Norman noble class from the Conquest of 1066 until shortly after the promulgation of Magna Charta. The subsequent creation of Parliament (specifically, the House of Lords - which is a few centuries older than the House of Commons) resulted in abolition of the noble class, which was replaced by the peerage.

The rest of the nations that eventually came to constitute the United Kingdom never had a formally developed nobility but they evolved the same system of peerage that eventually replaced the nobility in England.

More to the point, this article is not about British Nobility but it is explicitly about the British, English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh peerages. So, calling it "British nobility" - especially considering the Scots arguably are not British, and the Irish definitely are not British - is entirely and utterly inappropriate. The Scottish and Irish peerage systems have always operated separately from the British peerage system, and continue to do so today. In particular, the Act of Union of 1707 provided that Scotland retained jurisdiction over its own system of heraldry and peerage, separately from the rest of the country (along with its own separate systems of law and education).

This article should be renamed "British Peerage" and the non-British elements removed; or the content of this article should be merged into any existing article on the British peerage.

Nobility vs. peerage

I created this page as there wasn't really an article that brought all the various articles on this subject together, and also the UK was one of the few countries that has a nobility not to have a Nobility of X style article. This page I guess will be a kinda starting point for anyone researching this subject, as I was today, and I found it very hard to get what I wanted, as although the infomation is there it isn't linked together. Grunners 15:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've just looked at the Peerage article and it has left me wondering whether we need a separate article on the nobility. Rjm at sleepers 15:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I rather think we do need this seperate page. There are forms of nobility in Britian that are not peerages. Examples include any Scottish armiger, Scottish feudal barons, feudal earls and fuedal lords, Scottish lairds, Clan chiefs and English lords of the manor (a very minor form of nobility granted). The act of granting arms in Scotland actually enobles the grantee. To not have this page disenfranchises these people. fr33kman -s- 16:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Calypso1020 (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for advice

Hello,

my comment does not contain an academic reference.

I rather need an advice.Can some of you give names of gentelmen clubs or countryside places or leisure points where i could possibly meet members of british nobilty?

I belong to the french one,coming from an old french-canadian family and would like to find a beloved husband among british nobiilty.

May be there is even a specific introduction services?-I do not know their names as I live in France.

Thank you for your advice to globeonnet@live.comCalypso1020 (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for scope

It would be useful to have an authoritative reference or two documenting that British nobility includes non-peers, and pointing out exactly where it begins and ends. -- Beland (talk) 17:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]