Talk:Taiwan (island)
Infobox
It is so sad. You can't say your name out.
What's wrong with this anyways?
"Facing tremendous pressure from the PRC, the ROC uses the name Chinese Taipei in the Olympics and other international events, usually of which PRC is also a party. The ROC is also barred from using its national anthem and national flag in international events due to PRC pressure. PRC's pressure goes even further by barring Taiwanese spectators attending events such as the Olympics from bringing ROC national flags into Olympic venues." This entire paragraph is POV, insinuating that EVERY country refuses to recognize the ROC claim on the basis of PRC pressure alone - one country dissenting from this renders this POV.
Can someone please look through this template's history and pick out the bits that are accurate and relevant to this article? It was originally copied and pasted from this one (presumably to be able to cut down on text on this page), and, as such, is a clear violation of the GFDL. It needs to be deleted (and I have nominated it so). But if someone could pick out the useful bits which were added in the meantime, that would be great. Cormaggio @ 00:55, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Ran's reverts
Ran has been stubbornly reverting without examining the edits that I have been making, which have been modifications, clarifications, and compromises. On his side, however, he simply reverts without examination or comment.
On "island nation" POV: - I added that China disagrees with this, as is well known. But Ran reverted anyways.
On "Democratic Transistion": - I changed this subheading because it includes both the period of transition AND the current democratic error. His change to "Democratic Transistion" is erroneous.
On Chen's abolishment of NUC: - I changed the grammar so that it is correct. Neither the original version nor Ran's version was correct. He ignored this and simply reverted.
There are other changes that could be talked about, but overall, you can look in the history and see that I was doing a series of edits that were not simple reverts, yet Ran was simply reverting every time.Moveapage 21:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Other examples of Moveapage attempting to correct my grammar include:
- distrust due to political, cultural and linguistic differences -> distrust due to political, cultural and lingual differences
- with government workers, such as teachers, being required to become KMT members, -> with government workers, such as teachers, requiring membership into the KMT
- (from this diff)
- Also, Moveapage has been aggressively pushing the POV that Taiwan is an island nation in the intro paragraph, even though multiple editors have already informed him that this contravenes Wikipedia's NPOV policy.
Lingual differences is okay. Language differences is better. Lingual is a valid English word that takes on the same being as linguistic when it is not in the context of meaning "physically near the tongue".
In terms of the second sentence, the point isn't worth discussing--it's not what I later changed it to.
Ask yourself why it is not NPOV. It is because mainly the the PRC recognize this. Ran, did you bother to recognize that I added that into the intro so that it very, very clearly recognizes the PRC POV?? NPOV is not about taking everything out that anyone in the world possibly disgrees with.
Also Ran is pushing POV in many other places in the article, one example being "dangerously provocative" in reference to the abolishment of the NUC. Only China's foreign minister calls it provocative. Only China says that Taiwan "forces" it to invade or do whatever. It is dangerous because China claims it will invade. But it is only from China's POV that it is provocative. --Moveapage 22:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I need to also add that you find Taiwan and "island nation" used in the same breadth all the time either in the US or in Taiwan. You look on google and get 223,000 hits! NPOV is about stating WHO disagrees and WHY, not taking out the common view in favor of one POV. You did not respond at all to my addition of the fact that China does not recognize Taiwan as a nation. I added that and you took it out.--Moveapage 22:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)