Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 May 18

This isn't a request for a deletion review of the AFD as it was done correctly. Editors have stated that in order to make way for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Afranet the issue must be brought here. I am making this request on behalf of User:ChazzI73 and will inform him of this discussion so he can take part. Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Here is my argument about Afranet. Sorry if it is a bit lengthy. For whatever reason, the article I crated is available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Afranet and the history I can see under page Afranet has different content. Anyhow, here is my reasoning:

Population of Iran is about 75 millions. Tthe second language there is English, so it is crucial to have information about reputable Iranian companies both in Farsi and English.

Iran has the highest rate of education in Middle East. It has large and successful immigrant community in English speaking countries including US, UK & Canada. More than half of the population there is below 30, Internet Usage in Iran and number of Internet users in Iran are the highest among Middle Eastern countries, which make it important to have information about important Iranian companies online.

Except Afranet, at present there is no other ISP/ICP in Tehran’s Stock Exchange and they are the only private IT company in Iran that has ever gone IPO. Afranet's market share in Iran’s Internet is almost 10%. (3 millions out of 30 million users ref - http://www.internetworldstats.com/me/ir.htm , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Iran & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQyXXx3GfY )

Largest University of Iran (Islamic Azad University) is hosted in Afranet’s Data Center which is another measure of credibility (check it at http://notification.azmoon.org/). This is one of the honorary national projects in Iran completely hosted by Afranet with 2.5 million daily visitors and two millions registered students.

Afranet Data Center has almost 3,000 physical machines that put it among the largest in Middle East. If you want to compare it, the three leading Data Centers in the United States are Google, Amazon and Microsoft. Afranet has the similar role in Iran.

Afranet categorized as a “Medium” sized registry by Ripe (https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ir.afranet.html ). It accounts for about 1% of IPv4 addresses in Iran (ref http://www-public.int-evry.fr/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIPE_Allocations/IPv4/Alpha/IR.html) and

No other Data Center in Middle East except Afranet holds an Information Security Management System certificate (ISMS or Iso 27001 ref http://www.gilanifoundation.com/homepage/128/Asia%20128/Iran%20128.pdf , http://www.iso27001certificates.com/Taxonomy/ScopeResults.asp & http://www.afranet.com/Stocks/MarketingInfo/Afranet-Catalogue.pdf )

Afranet's website has Google Page Rank of “5” which means it has good amount of authority in the eyes of Google. This authority mainly comes from the history, links by third parties to the website and visitors and could count a measure of credibility (check the Page Rank at http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php). Besides, there are about 1 million indexed pages in Google by searching “Afranet” or “افرانت” and its CEO, “Fereidoun Ghasemzadeh” or “فریدون قاسم زاده” in both English and Farsi on aggregate. Only in Google and not considering other search engines or search sources, there are over 100,000 searches annually for aforementioned terms (according to Google Adwords tool available at https://adwords.google.com/o/Targeting/Explorer?__c=1000000000&__u=1000000000&ideaRequestType=KEYWORD_IDEAS ).

Afranet Competitors such as Parsonline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonline ), Sepanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepanta) & Shatel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatel ) with sometimes smaller market share are listed and accepted in Wikipedia. Afranet is a much more credible company from some aspects.

The company's Public Offering was late last year (2011). Now there are a lot of inquiries about investing in this company, analysis of its stock or more information on it. Their market cap is 27 billion Rials (ref – Tehran Stock Exchange site @ http://en.tsetmc.com/loader.aspx?ParTree=121C1412&inscode=52792903131341205 and balance sheet at http://www.fipiran.com/CompanyBalanceSheet.aspx?lan=en&FinancialInstrumentId=4415&CompanyId=756 ) (was about 17 million USD as of 2011 – ref www.turquoisepartners.com/iraninvestment/IIM-Aug11.pdf and http://www.reportlinker-news.com/n018990830/Market-Overview.html ).

Afranet has been mentioned numerous times in English and Farsi news including the following:

United Nations report on Iran: http://un.org.ir/sites/default/files/docs_pub/3970/doc_attachments/post_report.pdf

MacMaster Times: http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/MACMASTER.jpg

Business Week: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51800721

Tehran Times Newspaper (report on ISO 9001): http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/tehrantimes-iso-ceremony.jpg

Tehran Times (Announcement of IPO): http://old.tehrantimes.com/PDF/11206/11206-4.pdf

Global Survey of Broadband Service Providers in the world: http://www.arcchart.com/reports/dl/BWAOperators_promo_ARCCHART.pdf

Iran News (News Paper): http://www.afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/press22-origin.jpg

Collection of 60 newspaper Articles about Afranet: http://afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/Afranet-in-Media.pdf

The company is pretty active in social activities and accordingly, has many searches for that, which makes it essential to be available in Wikipedia too. (look at http://afranet.com/En/Social/Responsibility.aspx ) The company provides free internet to schools in deprived areas, Free equipment to Schoolnet, Financial and logistical support for rural kindergartens (in cooperation with Unicef), Financial Support Program for orphans (in cooperation with the I.K. Relief Foundation) and much more of social activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChazzI73 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really buying the argument for a separate article at this stage, I'm afraid. When I checked a random sampling of the references provided, I couldn't seem to find the kind of sources appropriate for a Wikipedia article. Is anyone aware of a credible secondary source? I'm open to being convinced but sceptical of the long list of passing mentions, or references to Afranet itself, listed above.
However, I also think it's inappropriate for this to be a redlink when it could be a redirect to Communications in Iran#Internet, so I'd suggest we discuss the possibility of redirecting. We should probably consider protecting the redirect, since it was necessary to salt the article title.—S Marshall T/C 20:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the time you spend. I want to bring your attention to this list of independent references about Afranet, which has some names as big as "United Nations":

United Nations report on Iran: http://un.org.ir/sites/default/files/docs_pub/3970/doc_attachments/post_report.pdf

Business Week: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51800721

Tehran Times (Announcement of IPO): http://old.tehrantimes.com/PDF/11206/11206-4.pdf

MacMaster Times: http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/MACMASTER.jpg

Tehran Times Newspaper (report on ISO 9001): http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/tehrantimes-iso-ceremony.jpg

Global Survey of Broadband Service Providers in the world: http://www.arcchart.com/reports/dl/BWAOperators_promo_ARCCHART.pdf

Iran News (News Paper): http://www.afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/press22-origin.jpg

Iran Investment Magazine: www.turquoisepartners.com/iraninvestment/IIM-Aug11.pdf

Collection of 60 newspaper Articles about Afranet: http://afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/Afranet-in-Media.pdf

Tehran Stock Exchange: http://en.tsetmc.com/loader.aspx?ParTree=121C1412&inscode=52792903131341205

Financial Information Process of Iran: http://www.fipiran.com/CompanyBalanceSheet.aspx?lan=en&FinancialInstrumentId=4415&CompanyId=756

Gilan Foundation: http://www.gilanifoundation.com/homepage/128/Asia%20128/Iran%20128.pdf

Second point that I want to emphasize is presence of competitors on Wikipedia with much less credibility including Parsonline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonline ), Sepanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepanta) & Shatel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatel ). Do you think it is appropriate?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChazzI73 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment While the article isn't perfect, I do personally believe that the subject has more coverage than it had in 2009 (due to the initial public offering) and should be in the article space. Ryan Vesey Review me! 23:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]