User talk:69.250.25.105

Nice additions!!!

The Last Circus

Thank you for your input.
That film is problematic. I can't classify it because I haven't seen it.
1) Is it an actual Horror film, as in the Horror genre? Inclusion criteria are weaker for films of that type.
2) Is the Francoist element incidental? Namely, is it stated in a sentence and then never comes up again?
Somebody added the film to the page for a reason, I assume.
Varlaam (talk) 18:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

First off, I've made a accidental duplicate edit on the page (the description edit for "The Last Circus"), so I'll apologize in advance for that. It was a genuine accident and not an attempt at starting a revision war, so I've undone the revision. It's back to the previous description.

Anyways, about the film, I've seen it, and it was a strange one. "Horror-comedy-drama" really is the best way to explain it. It wasn't exactly a "horror" film per se -- I don't think it would belong in the "science fiction/fantasy/horror" you've set up, since there was a substantial amount of realistic plot outside of the realm of horror, but on the other hand, it was about two clowns running around on a murderous rampage, so labeling it "horror" wouldn't exactly be inaccurate either.

As far as the Francoist element, it's borderline incidental. It existed in the first five minutes of the film, and then was completely nonexistent throughout the rest. The first five minutes of the film take place in 1937 during the Spanish Civil War and are about a clown who is "forcibly recruited into the militia", and that's the full extent of the film's relevance to the Spanish Civil War. The rest of the film takes place in 1973 and is about the aforementioned clown's son, and there is absolutely no reference to anything Spanish Civil War from that point forward. This is why I changed the description. I understand your undoing it, given that it wasn't exactly relevant, but that was my point: for the grand majority of the film, there was no relevance to the Spanish Civil War or even Francoist Spain in general. Suffice it to say that out of the 106 minutes in the film, 100 of them were completely unrelated to the Spanish Civil War in any way. Whether the six minutes that were related are enough to have it on the list or not, I will leave up to you, since you're the one putting the work in here. If it were up to me, I wouldn't have it anywhere on the page, but I don't object to keeping it in the "Spanish Civil War" section; I just really didn't want to see it invalidating the main list. Thanks for your time.

P.S. -- I'm going to alter the description again, and this time I'll manage to maintain some relevance. If you don't think it fits, feel free to undo it, but I do think it needs to be changed, since the current one only describes the prologue of the film, not the film as a whole. Thanks again.

69.250.25.105 (talk) 09:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

You are unlikely to get into an edit war with me. (Unless you confuse fantasy and reality and have a private agenda.)

I'm an ex-IMDb researcher and this was a focus for me over there. I'm interested in the facts whatever they may be.

So, this is not Horror per se, Killer Klowns from Outer Space it is not; it is horrific like Come and See then? Correct?

It sounds quite incidental and tangential. Therefore if this were WWII, I would delete it. Because WWII is such a big topic we need to split the page. ("Films from war books" was 1 modest page before I noticed it was missing things.)

Spain is a much rarer film topic. This film is recent – that used to mean more accessible to somebody who rents copies. But in the Netflix era, accessibility has changed.

In conclusion, I would retain it for now. If Spain makes another 50 films focused on the war, then it should be jettisoned.

I've been reorganizing the page since the end of March.

There was a power vacuum there once Dudeman stopped running it 4 years ago. I finally got tired of looking at chaos.

I put Spain there to soak up the strays, but it will be its own page with its own inclusion criteria at some point.

Possibly this will be Honourable over there.

The inclusion rules predate me. I see Spain and Italo-Abyssinian and the Anschluss as all moving in the same direction. Haile Selassie couldn't get help from the League of Nations without a Security Council. So Mussolini was free to take over Albania and Hitler Austria and the Sudetenland.

The WWII East African campaign reverses Italo-Abyssinian.

When I set up the short films page, I specifically included Spain there.

On a side note:

You are an intelligent person who should have an account, not an IP address.

What city are you in?

Varlaam (talk) 17:06, 11 June 2012 (UTC) (Toronto)

I have an account, but apparently I'm not intelligent enough to remember to sign into it before I make edits. At times when I'm editing regularly, it's not an issue, but for a random edit like this, well, I forgot. You sent a message at that point, so I figured it would be better to hang around my IP address for awhile until our dialogue had reached its conclusion. I'm Tron55555, and I'm in Baltimore. I tried to remove "The Last Circus" once before, and you undid it. I intended to let it go, but now seeing that you created this "Spanish Civil War" section, I figured I could at least get away with moving it there. Anyways, I'll do a better job of staying signed in. After all, good organization is what keeps a site like this going.

You make a good point regarding Spanish Civil War films. Given the much smaller collection of films on the subject, it makes sense to have a more lenient inclusion criteria. You'll hear no objections from me as long as it's not in the main list, although my highly acute personality senses tell me you wouldn't much care if I did have an objection (this is where I would insert a smiley face to suggest good will if I hadn't sworn never to type one as long as I live).

I guess you could compare "The Last Circus" to "Come and See", if "Come and See" had sadistic clowns as its focal point. Sorry, I know I'm being vague. Let me try again. Overall, yes, the general level of horror would be on par with a film like "Come and See". "The Last Circus" is not a pure and true horror film.

I'll conclude by thanking you for your efforts on this page. I refer to it on a regular basis, so it's nice to see it in good form.

69.250.25.105 (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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