User talk:Ocalafla

Ocalafla,

As principal author of the Wikipedia History of the 2nd Infantry Regiment and also historian of the 2nf Infantry I appreciate any changes that you may think are warranted by I do believe that quite a few are incorrect. First, it is a 2nd Infantry Regiment history and therefore anything in the history that reads the Regiment refers directly to the 2nd Infantry Regiment and thus the R should be capitalized. This goes for the battalion also when it is used in context to a specific battalion.

Next, Distinctive Unit Insignia is a 3 word name and therefore all three words should be capitalized. The same should hold true for Coat of Arms.

The way that the section on the Distinctive Unit Insignia and Coat of Arms was written is the way the Institute of Heraldry presented it but I guess you feel that your way is better.

It was Indian outrages not Indians.

The Regiment (-) means that not the entire regiment was present, it is not a mistake. It was/is a common reference to not an entire unit begin involved.

In this instance Motorized is capitalized because it is part of a name.

If after you review what I have presented and see that I am correct I ask that you correct what you have changed.

Thank you.

Ocalafla:

I'm positive about the non-numbering of divisional aviation brigades outside of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), which has two (101st and 159th). I've discussed this on numerous occasions with Ned Bedessem, the Aviation historian and force structure expert at the US Army Center of Military History (CMH), Fort McNair, Washington, DC. It is an ongoing problem he faces - people erroneously write up what they think their unit should be called, or what they would like to call it, rather than what it really is. Because bad information is so widespread, you'll find many references to that bad information throughout the web and on official websites, where they should know better. If you wish, I can put you in contact with Ned and he can confirm that, other than in the 101st, divisional aviation brigades aren't numbered.

A similar situation existed in the Army prior to the 2005 reorganization of divisions into the "modular" structure. A division's field artillery battalions were grouped under what was known as "Division Artillery," which did not have a number, and fortunately people didn't try to assign numbers to it.

A problem with assigning the same number as the division is that there would be duplicates. During the Vietnam War there was very large (27,000-man) separate brigade with the designation of 1st Aviation Brigade. In the post-war years the designation was assigned to Fort Rucker, AL, as a schoolhouse unit. But if a division's aviation brigade carried the same number as the division, what would the brigades be numbered in these units?

1st Infantry Division 1st Armored Division 1st Cavalry Division

Perhaps it was with this in mind that the Army simply went with Combat Aviation Brigade, XXth Division. As for Ned, he just smiles and shakes his head, knowing that people have done this sort of thing for years and will continue to do so, no matter what guidance the CMH puts out.

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Just writing to let you know I appreciate your edits--seems like you, at least, are somewhat even-keeled. Bob80 is a different story. Just so you know--VMI is, in fact, the only school in the US to have ever had its entire student body fight as a unit in actual combat. I will contact a historian on Monday and refer him to the ridiculous games that Bob80 and other citadel grads are playing at so he can clear the air. Should be interesting. Thanks, 70.95.139.83 (talk) 07:44, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Having gone to neither school, I've got no dog in the fight. I had a few distant ancestors go to The Citadel, but I'm proud to have served with both Citadel and VMI grads and have been impressed with both. Both great schools with proud traditions. Both schools speak with deserved pride about their accomplishments. I just am hopeful these accomplishments are accompanied by references to reliable sources! Ocalafla (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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