User talk:Oprah999

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Hello, and a belated welcome to Wikipedia! I'm a Bouvier follower, so I noticed your edit to that page. Please feel free to get in touch with me any time if you have any questions at all about editing here. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:19, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

you are right, i lack NPOV, i am stronly anti armstrong and have been for many years.. oh hang on, so why am i retaining sections of articles. the section was fine as it was, its intended as a brief summary of his career, and like it or not, he has had a very succesful triathlon career. You may recall he started out as a triathlete before turning full time to cycling. And seriously, read some of my posts or my articles on the web. I am the furthest person from painting armstrong in a posive light you will find. That in itself is proof of my NPOV. Dimspace (talk) 18:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I also suggest you look in the talk page for Armstrong. That opening section has been discussed multiple times, by multiple editors and content agreed on, or are you disagreeing with every other editor? Dimspace (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I don't see the voluminous discussion leading to a consensual editorial decision on the opening section, especially given that it has been changed many times recently. Can you please provide a link? Thanks! --Oprah999 (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First up, a couple of articles of mine, first dispelling the myth of the 500 tests, http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/07/the-legend-of-the-500/ and second uncovering his corrupt business dealings and control of US Cycling http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/06/lance-armstrongs-business-links-a-flowchart-by-dimspace/ or this article even http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/09/the-numbers-game/ . Ive been interviewed by the BBC about Lance, ive even been personally abused by his team in 2009. Im the furthest person you will find from being pro armstrong. But, wikipedia is about being impartial, Lance the athlete is not just a cyclist, but a triathlete for many years and a marathon runner. As far as the intro goes, look on the talk page from the paragraph "Proposed replacement of intro paragraphs " through to "Break Support trimming the Lead " and then "Problem in intro". The opening paragraphs have been discussed and agreed at great length.

Something further to bear in mind. Ultimately we probably both have the same aims, but sometimes you have to take a step backwards so that you can take two steps forwards. For instance, theres a reason i will battle to keep the fact he was a triathlete in the opening paragraph. The WTC who run ironman (which is a major event whatever you think) are subscribers to WADA's code of conduct. As a result its probably, well almost definate that over the coming days or weeks they will strip Armstrong of all his Ironman titles. Because of the inclusion of him being a triathlete in the opening paragraph, when the line "A few days later, the World Triathlon Council stripped him of all his triathlon results" is added it will have far greater impact. Not only will he be a disgraced banned cyclist, he will also be a disgraced banned triathlete. Then theres the marathon results, and he becomes disgraced marathon runner. But to get to that end goal, you have to make some concessions in the meantime. Dim Dimspace (talk) 19:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dim, I appreciate your many contributions to wikipedia and elsewhere, however I'm not trying to reach any personal "goal" or anything of the sort. The article should simply reflect what is most pertinent about Mr. Armstrong, not a "progressive goal" towards any vendetta against Mr. Armstrong, it should simply reflect the truth, and the shifting importance of what his story means. So given recent events the informational value equation has changed, and his importance as a tri-athlete, IMO of minor importance before all of this, is even less important now. For better or worse, the criteria of his historical impact is now something like this: 1) Most notorious, high-profile elite athlete caught in doping; 2) star cycling champion stripped of 7 TdF titles; 3) cancer survivor and livestrong founder; 4) athletic accomplishments; 5) celebrity status. --Oprah999 (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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