User talk:142.161.182.190

Sockpuppets

I'll let one of the admins at User:Drmies's talk page decide if you're a sockpuppet a not. As for your IP foe, in regards to this edit, it's called a dynamic IP address; they're not pretending to be multiple people, unlike you. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 02:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong again. Google the IPs, confirmed as proxy in singapore. Do some research before you make claims? That is sock puppetry by definition. Also, please see Schwartz's report. Why present one sided sources when there are more that disagree? To be fair with sources, shouldn't you present both sides or none? Also comparisons don't appear to be relevant to article. Also, Kinsey presented no sexist opinions, only a study, so that's not the issue. The other opinions, as well as the lack of a need for a comparison, are issues. Studies in articles aren't bad! Editor opinions are. 142.161.182.190 (talk) 02:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've hardly payed attention to the content of the article, especially since it became a much more clear-cut case, in light of User:MikeFromCanmore's personal attacks and multiple-account abuse; I simply identified you as a highly probable sockpuppet. As I said before, I'll wait for the admins to decide in that regard. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 02:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I don't think any opinions, especially those that include sexism belongs on an article, that was the main point here. As there are sources for, sources against, so why pick and choose (selective) based on editors opinion? I try to improve the quality by removing the misandry sentiments commonly found in such articles. Also see the note I left on your talk page (where the proof is). Thanks Francophonie.

142.161.182.190 (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've already replied to his rantings in detail before.[1] He just ignores what the sourcs say, asserts that this research about lesbian sexual practices shouldn't be in the article titled Lesbian sexual practices because it compares heterosexual sexual activity, he asserts that there are opposing studies (although he only cites one, which is a discredited study and isn't even an opposing study), and he goes on and on with this absurd talk of sexism and lesbianism bias, as though all of these researchers were/are sexist and had/have a lesbian bias. His rationale is just odd to say the least. 220.255.2.116 (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong.. I removed conclusions that don't have proper evidence. Those "sources" aren't strong enough evidence for a claim to be turned into fact, and thus into a conclusion. Also, there you go again claiming studies that disagree with you are not credible. 142.161.182.190 (talk) 05:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Don't have proper evidence," according to you. Again, you need to read WP:Verifiability (READ IT, all of it). The information you've been removing is "proper evidence." It's what the sources say, sources noting several studies that support that information. Those sources/studies (and it's completely laughable that you assert that they aren't reliable) are strong enough evidence for the "claims." There aren't even any claims in that text (and there's a reason that "claim" should generally be avoided in Wikipedia articles, per WP:CLAIM). Evidence and conclusions from studies are what is there in that text, not personal opinion(s) from the researchers or any Wikipedia editor. No, rather different studies with different methodologies that report the same thing -- women who have sex with women are generally more sexually satisfied than women who have sex with men. Yes, you can't accept those findings as fact. But the researchers asked many women about sexual satisfaction and that's the answer they got from asking all of them these various questions. Blame the women for their answers, if you want to blame someone for "claims [being] turned into fact." Given that, during sexual activity, men generally focus on sexual penetration and most women are not sexually satisfied by that, it should be easy for you to understand why women are more sexually satisfied with women, especially given what you stated in this edit.[2] Obviously, women generally know what makes aother women feel good sexually, which is what the researchers are saying. All the text is doing is informing readers of what the sources say. And that's what we do here in Wikipedia articles. You also need to get a clue that research is typically only strong if it is repeatedly replicated. These findings have been repeatedly replicated. The Pepper Schwartz "findings" about "lesbian couples in committed relationships hav[ing] less sex than any other type of couple and [generally experiencing] less sexual intimacy the longer the relationship lasts" have not, other than it being stated by various researchers that couples of any sexual orientation generally experience less sexual intimacy the longer the relationship lasts. Stating that about Schwartz'd study has nothing to do with me personally disagreeing with the study. It's a fact that the study has been discredited. If you were as well-read on these subjects as you present yourself (albeit rather poorly) to be, you'd know that. Still, I have not objected to mentioning the Schwartz study in the article (as long as it's given its WP:DUE WEIGHT). But you haven't even presented a reference for the Schwartz study. You don't present sources. You just make claims. 220.255.2.150 (talk) 06:39, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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