Talk:Fagging

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Unofficial fagging

"Nevertheless, unofficial fagging is still quite common in many English schools." I live in England and have never heard of this; indeed I've only ever heard of fagging existing in (a small minority) of what we call "public" schools (i.e. a select few private schools). In the absence of any reference I've removed this statement. 64.103.93.95 (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anarchy?

Is the author using anarchy in the correct sense of the word? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.69.14.35 (talk) 07:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Girls?

I seem to remember girls in the Malory Towers and/or St Clare's books fagging for older girls - at present, the article makes it sound like it only happened to boys. Did girls do it, too? -- Dandelions 23:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While hardly a credible historical source, "fagged out" is used in the Schoolgirls Own annual 1927. But this is in a story written (most likely) by Charles Hamilton, who also wrote stories set in Boy's schools, most famously Greyfriars (with Billy Bunter) and St Jim's. The story doesnt mention any younger girls "fagging" for older girls as such, but i'll carry on reading XD. Speaking of which there are far too few articles relating to the world of Charles Hamilton's stories, each school seems to have had a full cast of characters, a nearby rival school with it's own characters, and also a nearby village with yet more recurring shopkeepers and working-class urchins... and there was at least 4 schools (Greyfriars, St Jim's, Cliff house and Morcove), along with at least 1 more (Rookwood) which was only seen on certian occasions 86.158.27.179 (talk) 16:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fagging the same as ragging?

This article says that the practise of fagging has continued, and is now identified as ragging or hazing, but is that the case? I thought ragging was more like out and out bullying and abuse, whereas fagging was different in that jobs and chores had to be done. Should the comparison be removed? JimBrownish (talk) 15:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV

This might be cleared up my someone finding some references, but the article attempts to define a rationale for the practice of fagging.

It could just as well be established bullying, tolerated by the institution as it makes life easier. As similar hierarchies evolve in prisons and environments, there is no reason to presume this one was "designed". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.131.43 (talk) 19:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually in one of the main sources stated at the bottom of the page. The page borrows substantially from Encyclopedia britannica (11th edition) which is public domain. If you look up the reference it states that the system of fagging was formalised a schools to reduce bullying and create a form of self governance of the students. The Fag masters were responsible for the welbeing of their fags and had to ensure that they weren't being bullied etc (Rather than having schoolmasters bothered). While the actual function may be debatable, since its source to a reliable source its not really pov pushing. Clovis Sangrail (talk) 03:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nonetheless it is an institutionalised form of bullying and if the article wants to claim neutrality, that should be made clear. The United Kingdom is one of the countries with the highest amounts of institutionalised and socially accepted forms of bullying, especially at schools, with thousands of youths suffering or committing/trying to commit suicide as a consequence. To paint fagging in some retrospective golden haze of nostalgia, as this article does to a large extent, isn't helpful to discerning what is what and where it stems from. --Grainsofsalt (talk) 07:07, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

LULZ!?

SOme of the usages of the word fag in this article look like they are jokes. For example, "when he was a young fag". I think someone is pulling your leg at times.