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Jubilees dispute

Pico, I'd like to have your input, if you don't mind, here at: Talk:Curse of Ham#Jubilees location dispute

For you!

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For your lighthearted approach to reaching NPOV and ability to laugh at edit summaries which might not have been as tactfully expressed as they could have been. Killer Chihuahua 21:06, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

February 2013

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Abraham. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ► Belchfire-TALK 05:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Twelve Tribes

I don't know whether you take commissions, but I wonder whether you think WP could use a separate article on the Twelve Tribes of Israel, and whether you would be up for writing it ?

At the moment the topic redirects to Israelites, but that article is really about the "Children of Israel" as a whole, and doesn't really have the scope to ask e.g. what was a tribe, or where did the tribal identities come from, or even give a decent overview of what the Bible has to say about the tribes in any detail. We also have articles on the individual 12 tribes of course, but it seems to me no pull-together, to review the whole idea or put into any kind of context.

For comparison, here are articles from eg:

Jewish Encyclopedia, 1906
Encyclopedia Judaica, 1972
Cambridge Dictionary of Judaism and Jewish Culture, 2011

There are some quite interesting ideas -- for example the magic of the number 12, even if the identity of the twelve constituents changes. (The EJ seems particularly taken by Martin Noth's suggestions on this). Also the idea that the genealogical relationships reflect natural pre-existing confederations between the tribes; and the idea that different parts of the Biblical narrative may show different groups of the tribes in the ascendent at different times (including the quite interesting points about which tribes are not included in particular passages -- eg the Song of Deborah).

It would be nice to see one of these articles done right, from the bottom up, for once -- a proper summary of the Biblical content, followed by a proper survey of current contemporary views -- rather than the having to patch up somebody else's shambles that it seems you are mostly taking on.

So might that appeal as a little project?

(BTW if you want to do more hacking out of dead wood, it would seem to me that the whole of the second half of the Israelites article seems seriously extraneous. Having established that the Israelites' descendents were the Jews and the Samaritans, theat is where the article should end, IMO.)

All best, Jheald (talk) 23:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Administrators

You may want to post the edits belchfire did to Abraham at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring He is a known troll and banned several times but will drag you and others down with him if you don't get in front of him. Just a FYI, Good luck.

Leviticus

I've started a Talk page discussion regarding the lead of the article. I think we both know full well to expect a concerted effort to force the material back in to the article, but at least now there is no excuse not to discuss and gain consensus first. ► Belchfire-TALK 02:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]