Talk:Lada

Why is this article only about Lada cars in the UK?

I think this article nees lots of work or a direct transfer to the AutoVAZ article.

Lada was a brand name given to an export-specification range of Russian built cars. A discussion of Lada is essentially a discussion of Russian auto export. Sure, the article could be expanded with reference to markets other than the UK, but the UK experience was pretty typical. I think it is an interesting story even if it is limited in scope at present. BobBScar23625 11:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell the "Riva" was also being sold unter a different name - at least in Eastern Germany it was called "Nova senior" (2107) and "Nova junior" (2105). Misel 01:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Geneva Motor Show 2006

Twisp. You have added the image "Lada 2101". Is this a spoof?. Bob

ps I guess this may be in the vintage car section. Sorry to have doubted you. It looks like an early Lada from circa 1972. Bob BScar23625 17:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lada Niva history

Lada Niva was never supposed to be an army-vehicle. From the very beginning it was planned to build an all-wheel drive vehicle uniting the advantages of usual motorcar and utilitarian off-roader. Later VAZ designed a military amphibian-car using Niva underpinnings (this amphibian was designated VAZ-2122), but it was never produced - just few prototypes are known to exist.

Picture caption - Lada or Vaz?

Papushin

You write :

VAZ 2101 was never exported therefore it was never called Lada

and have altered the title on the picture accordingly. How do you explain the fact that the car in the picture has a Lada badge on its front?.

Bob

BScar23625 14:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Badge on the grill is red "boat" which is "Zhiguli" original badge. 2101 (original Fiat) and 2102 (wagon variation) haven't been exported. The rumor is that FIAT didn't want "Zhiguli" compete with FIATs therefore there was a clause in contract prohibiting exporting. I'm not sure how true it is. Papushin 02:30, 30 April 2006 (UT

BTW, Original 2101 was in production since 1970 (not 1972). I don't remember any specific difference between 1972 and 1970 cars. They were called "Itallian assembly" in Russia and were considered to be of high quality, same cars built later were supposedly worse. With introduction of new models some people still preferred original 2101 (or "kopeika" as it was called in Russia). A modification of 21011 model called 21013 was pretty much original 2101 minus form of bumpers and back light assembly. It remained one of the most popular models in 1980s. I grew up with 2101, my granddad's one was 2 years older than me. Papushin 02:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Papushin. OK, it sounds as if you know what you are talking about. But the car in the picture looks exactly like an early Lada. The main heading to the picture still describes it as a Lada. If you are sure it is not a Lada then perhaps you should remove the picture?. Bob BScar23625 05:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I got where you're heading... It is a car produced by AutoVAZ. Official designation of the model is VAZ 2101. This car was called "Zhiguli" in Russia. Brand Lada was used only for export until "Sputnik/Samara" VAZ 2108 model which was called only Lada. Therefore calling VAZ 2101 Lada and calling VAZ 2108 (and all Samaras) Zhiguli is incorrect, these combinations were never used.

I like the picture though because it shows original VAZ car, father(mother) of all Ladas. I would just remove the title on top cause it's misleading. Can you folks do it? This picture will be also significant if AutoVAZ and Lada articles are joined because, again, not everything done by VAZ was called Lada.

Bob, do you own Lada dealership or is it just a hobby to collect Ladas? Papushin 14:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Papushin. I am neither a dealer nor a collector. I have owned a number of Lada cars and they all suited my motoring needs well. I found them cheap to run and easy to maintain. Also, they were big, solid cars. Bob BScar23625 16:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I found another picture of this car on Internet. Looks like AutoVAZ used its own original model on some Motor show (probably Geneva) recently (almost 15 years after car went out of production) and it designated it as Lada 2101, I guess for promotion reasons. I would kill big Lada title anyway and keep VAZ 2101 title for historical purposes. Papushin 14:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Papushin. It looks identical to an early Lada. The manufacturer describes it as a Lada. That is good enough for me. As`far as I am concerned, it is a Lada. Bob BScar23625 16:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, as far as I remember, early Ladas built for foreign markets were designated in the following manner: Lada 1200 (ВАЗ-2101 in USSR market), Lada 1200 Estate (2102), Lada 1500, etc. (by anonymous user)

I saw this one as well but I think it's just "backward" (not official) designation derived from later Lada models. My source says that very first exported model was either 2103 or 2106, both have 2 headlights on each side, so it's very easy to tell them apart from early Zhigulis. Can anyone confirm it? The easiest one is to find 2101, 02 with Lada badge on the back (I doubt they exist though :) ) Papushin 20:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm absolutely sure i've seen the brochures of 2101 and 2102 and even 2103 (quad headlight) for Finnish market. Ant those car were designated as Lada 1200 and Lada 1500. For example, check this link (British brochures from seventies) http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Soviet/Lada/index.htm

This one is a very good link! It shows models known as VAS 2101, VAZ 2102, VAZ 21011, VAZ 2103 as Ladas. I recall all my doubts. I guess the difference in designation existed in different markets or may be in different times. Maybe the easiest will be to keep VAZ model numbers otherwise it may make it very hard to tell one model from another. They all came with the same engines pretty much. I guess this is why they stopped using engine size for model numbers later on.Papushin 12:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Article

I came up with a new article on Automobile model numbering system in USSR and Russia. Now I'm thinking how to better insert a link to it here and in Moskvitch article. Any suggestions? I'm trying to explain where all Russian model numbers come from. Papushin 22:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, so the names: the name of the factory is: VAZ (Volgorsky Avtomobily Zavod = Volga Auto Plant)

I do not know exactly, but in the very early years can be imaginable to selling cars named VAZ, but after that the name of the cars is "Zhighuli". The first machines were exported by this name to the socialist countries. This name is so hard to spell, thats why to the western markets they find out the name "Lada". Next times they used it to the other markets also. So the original VAZ 2101 name was "Lada 1200", the VAZ 21011 was "Lada 1300", and VAZ 21013 was "Lada 1200s".

The pictures on the main page: the yellow car with "double cirlce lamps" is not a "Lada 1600", but a "Lada 1500". The differences: the radiator grill, the index lamps on th sides, and the bumpers. Although it's not viewable on this page, but other differnces: tail lights, seats, steering wheel, dasboard. Other great problem that the chrome moulding is missing from the car.