Talk:Roy Moore

Contempt of Court?

I'm not sure if technically he was in comtempt of court -- the sqanction wasn't issued by teh ruling US Districty Court, but by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary. orthogonal 19:32, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

As I understand it, he was in contempt of court once the time limit for compying the court order to remove the monument expired. However, he wasn't removed specifically for that reason - I'll review the article and adjust as necessary to make clear the distinction between his contempt and the Court of the Judiciary decision. Google definition is "A act of defiance of court authority or dignity. Contempt of court can be direct (swearing at a judge or violence against a court officer) or constructive (disobeying a court order). The punishment for contempt is a fine or a brief stay in jail (i.e. overnight)". In the case of the judge, he made it clear that he'd continue to act in that way, so some way to prevent continual recurrances was needed. Jamesday 04:38, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Excuse me, but isn't "As a legal matter, this case is one of the most significant examples of the period of why there is separation of church and state, a principle which, in part is a reflection of the religious persecution by the majority which cause the Pilgrim Fathers to leave England for the Americas. It has a judge who was found to have violated separation, ran for office in a state with a large majority of his religion, on a platform that he would continue to do so, then proceeded to do so when in office. Finally, the judicial system and its controls removed the head judge of a state from office to preserve the separation, in the face of the inevitable disagreement of the majority of the general population of the state, for the fundamental purpose of the separation is to prevent the majority from infringing the rights of the minorities." a bit non-NPOV? It's worded so ambiguously that I can't tell whether it's in favour or against the action taken against Moore, but regardless, it's too verbose, and possibly POV. --Johnleemk 12:51, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sounds like an essay that I would write for school.. and isn't NPOV "non-point of view", meaning that non-NPOV = POV? :-) ugen64 01:52, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)

Actually NPOV is "neutral point of view", not "non point of view". But anyway, I also feel that that paragraph is very POV, I can't see anything that looks like an actual fact in it rather than opion. Saul Taylor 02:42, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

If you, me, or most other people acted like Roy Moore did we'd probably be facing jail time for contempt of court and violating a court order. Moore was very lucky that the only thing that happened was for him to loose his job.

JesseG 02:15, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

removing phrase "so-called"

Without objection, I think we should remove the "so-called" in front of the phrase "separation of church and state." That there is a legal and philosophical position called "separation of church and state" I don't think can be legitimately disputed, and the use of offending words is not neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adoarns (talk • contribs)

Iilliterate guy with the school bus

This admittedly made me laugh, but it is quite POV. I'm taking it out. --Saucy Intruder 2 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)

The bus

I've seen this bus and a news article about it. He's quite sincere, and has added more praise of Moore to it, this time getting the name spelled right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.214.106.170 (talk • contribs)

POV

There is a section that appears to try to enter the mind of Judge Moore to explain why he made a particular statement on a talk show. The authors should not presume to read the mind of Judge Moore, rather the facts should speak for themselves.

I thought that uppercasing all letters in GOD (rather than a proper noun "God") was a POV, but it turns out that the court records do the same, so it's an accurate reflection of the public record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sciguy.com (talk • contribs)

Please sign your name!

Howdy,

I'd appreciate it if those who created the sections "removing phrase "so-called"", "The bus", and "POV" would sign with their username (just add four ~tildes~ after what you've written).

If you don't have a username yet, you can get one for free here - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup.

Remember, Be bold in updating pages, and welcome!

--EChronicle 16:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

• I decided to be bold in looking at the page history. --Dystopos 16:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to all! --EChronicle 19:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The link for the first reference is dead. Lizz612 23:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Political Bias in this Entry

"Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, representing all views on a subject, factually and objectively, in an order which is agreeable to a common consensus."

Despite the disclaimer on the Discussion section that Moore is a candidate for Governor and is therefore subject to bias, there is no justification for publishing incorrect information about him on this entry.

1) Moore has no interest in enforcing into law the ideals of the Southern Baptist - merely the law of God. He recognizes that the law of God is what should dictate our laws, and this is all he is saying.

2) When Moore was removed from office, it was not because he was violating a court order; it was because he told Bill Pryor in cross-examination that he would continue to acknowledge God if he remained as Chief Justice. There was a convenient justification from a PR standpoint to explain his removal away as a defiance of court order, but in reality, this was not the basis at all. The argument was actually conceded by the prosecuting in the first hearing, the Chief Justice has the right to decorate the building as he sees fit.

What was the basis for the decision? According to presiding Judge Myron Thompson, it was because "Moore violates the first amendment to the US Constitution by ackowledging God in the court room..." Moore's defense is that he did not violate the first amdentment, because:

a) He is not congress
b) Acknowledging God is not a law set in motion by congress
c) Acknowledging God is not an establishment of religion

Interesting to note that Thompson never allowed a definition of religion to be presented, despite Moore's demand that he do so.

3) Moore is admired by many. He has over 3,000 volunteers serving his grassroots campaign, and Riley does not have a campaign
4) Separation of Church and State is the popular law he broke...I will concede this if you can show it in the Constitution. I can, and would be happy to, show you where in the Alabama Constitution the Justice and Chief Justice is obligated to acknowledge God. He placed each hand on a Bible when he swore into office as Chief Justice, to uphold the Constitution of Alabama above all...even if it meant violating a court order (which is not a law).
These are the facts of the Ten Commandments case, and this is how I have presented it. Your entries are nothing more than un-supported theories and popular belief that Moore broke the law, but I have shown how he lawfully upheld the Constitution. I will continue to re-edit this page as many times a day as necessary, to state the facts in a proven and un-biased manner.