User talk:Man2

Masters Degree in Knowing it All?

Well then, go on, prove that Pemberton is part of the 'town' of Wigan as opposed to part of the 'local authority area of Wigan'. But, I must point out, the council themselves are on MY side with this one, although they refer to both Wigan and Pemberton as being the 'Former Wigan County Borough'. Pemberton and Wigan are two separate towns, with separate identities from the 11th century, separated by the River Douglas. The two town councils joined together in the early 20th century to create a County Borough. The reason for this move was due to the fact that Wigan, alone, could not be a County Borough because it did not have the required population figure of, I think, 50,000.

It's all recorded in history. No-one can change it. Look at the Wigan Parish Map http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?compid=41379&filename=fig15.gif&pubid=288 all the towns are marked out and named. The name 'Pemberton' is written on deeds of properties from the late 19th century. It never says Wigan unless the property is IN Wigan.

All the land might well be 'under Wigan council' nowadays, but that doesn't make everywhere 'Wigan'. The Redcliffe Maud commission originally wanted the Wigan Metropolitan Borough to be known as Makerfield. What a good idea that was. It would certainly have avoided confusion as to the name of the place where individuals actually live. As of now, we get people who live in St.Helens actually calling themselves Wiganers, they're so confused.

Anyway, I'm not altogether bothered what anybody thinks, I'm building myself a house in Spain, in the campo, so I can be on my own away from all the mentalists who wind me up!

(nothing personal, I'm a nice guy really!)

PS: This just dawned on me ..... when the local government act 1972 was passed, it abolished all current county boroughs. Therefore, along with all the others, Wigan County Borough was abolished. It was 'no more'. However, the towns Pemberton and Wigan still existed and were both contained within the new authority area / metropolitan borough. Some people even claim the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan to be the town of Wigan, although they always exclude Leigh, which is very strange in itself as Leigh (a former borough) was, itself, abolished by the 1972 act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.205.195 (talk) 18:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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No problem. Was just about to confirm it with you! You might be interested in this also. Jhamez84 11:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd raise this with JemmyH and at the Wigan Borough talk page. At a first glance it seems the terms are interchangable, but then-again, parts of Wigan Borough still use Townships, so may mean something else.

A district to me suggests a populated, or built up area - it may be best used for those kinds of areas, whilst component area may be better for rural or more obsure areas. Jhamez84 01:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contact User:MRSC about creating a Wigan postcode area page - He has some source material that will get you started. It worked well for the OL postcode area. Jhamez84 11:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish to pass comment at this deletion proposal page. Or talk a look at this debate. Jhamez84 19:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: St.Helens

Thanks for the message, but (as you might have anticipated) you're wrong.

Firstly, St.Helens is not a 'town', it's a 'borough'. It was created out of several places to form an area of administration. When you enter the 'borough' called St.Helens, it says 'Welcome to St.Helens' on the signs. It doesn't say 'Welcome to the Metropolitan Borough of St.Helens' like it says on the Wigan borough signs. That's because St.Helens is just that, a borough, and anyone who lives in it lives in St.Helens.

Example: you could live in Parr, in St.Helens. Newton le Willows, in St.Helens. Rainford, in St.Helens. But you can't live in St.Helens, in St.Helens, because there's no such place. You could say that "you can't be in St.Helens without being in one of it's 'component places'.

Similar, but different, Wigan is a town in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan. There are many places in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan. Hindley, Ince, Pemberton, Orrell, Ashton in Makerfield, Astley, Tyldesley, Lowton and Golborne. You could say that "you can't be in Tyldesley and be in Wigan at the same time". Although you can be in Tyldesley and be in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, or Wigan Borough, or Wigan Council's area of authority.

Garswood and Downall Green are two settlements in Ashton in Makerfield. They are IN St.Helens. Yet 'some' of the people whio live there claim to be Wiganers. How can they be? Garswood and Downall Green have NEVER been in Wigan, or Wigan Borough, but they have been in Wigan Parish.

Anyway, I'll be in Andorra this time next week and bugger the Wiganers!

A Reply....

.... to your reply.

Half of Billinge is in St.Helens and those from that half Billinge are from Billinge. The other half of Billinge, and known as Billinge Higher End, is in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan and those from that half Billinge are from Billinge.

The only difference being the local authority.

Here's an example of another mix-up ....... a friend of mine lives in Slag Lane, Haydock (?). He actually lives in Ashton in Makerfield, but he won't have it. To him it's Haydock. However, his house is on the Ashton in Makerfield side of Clipsley Brook (which separates Ashton from Haydock) plus he's paid a council tax precept to Seneley Green Parish Council for years, and Seneley Green is, and always has been, a part of Ashton in Makerfield!

As for Andorra, well, the forecast says 32 degrees f and snow is expected!