Talk:Manga Kenkanryu

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The first paragraph of the "Main issues" section appears to come from an article by Norimitsu Onishi written for the New York Times (added during the 15:28, 11 March 2006 222.233.205.227 edit). --Tokek 11:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What? Someone has ruined this article with POV arguments

""The Hate Korea Wave" portrays Koreans and Chinese as base peoples, advocating confrontation with them."

I have read it. Nowhere does it portray Koreans and Chinese as "base peoples". Nor does it "advocate confrontation".

"The book says South Korea owes its current success to Japanese colonialism and describes China as the "world's prostitution superpower".

There is one line which mentions that Korea could not have reached its current level of development without the public goods left behind when Japan lost WW2. As for calling China the "world's prostitution superpower", it does not. No such sentence exists in The Hate Korea Wave. China and Chinese people are not even a subject in this comic, for that matter.

". Much of Japan's history in the last century and a half has been guided by the goal of becoming more like the West and less like Asia and the book, perhaps inadvertently, betrays Japan's conflicted identity: longstanding feelings of inferiority toward the West and superiority toward the rest of Asia. For example, the Japanese characters in the book are drawn with big eyes, blond hair, and Caucasian features; the Koreans are drawn with black hair, narrow eyes and very Asian features."

Not true. This is a black and white comic. No character in this comic has blond hair - all characters have either black hair or slightly dyed brown hair, as is popular in Japan. Differences in hair color are designed to assist in telling the characters apart.

"China and South Korea's rise to challenge Japan's position as Asia's economic, diplomatic and cultural leader has been inspiring renewed xenophobia against them, especially amongst the rising class of unemployed young Japanese."

More China? The comic has nothing to do with China. As for "renewed xenophobia" being inspired among "unemployed young Japanese", how about some proof?

"The reality that South Korea had especially emerged as a rival hit many Japanese with full force in 2002, when the countries were co-hosts of soccer's World Cup and South Korea advanced further than Japan. Television broadcasts from South Korea during the tournament showed that the country had surpassed Japan in some aspects of technology such as mobile phones and high-speed Internet. At the same time, the so-called Korean Wave (television dramas, movies and music from South Korea) swept Japan and the rest of Asia, often displacing Japanese pop cultural exports."

So what? This is purely POV. Why do Koreans want to come in and try to change every article on the English version of wikipedia to reflect their ethnic nationalism?

UPDATE: I am not very experienced with wikipedia, but this article has been vandalized. Ryosuke, if you can see this, please revert it to the Main Issues that you wrote.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shakuhachi (talk • contribs) .

What you say may very well be true, but such generalizing comments like: "So what? This is purely POV. Why do Koreans want to come in and try to change every article on the English version of wikipedia to reflect their ethnic nationalism?" reflect very badly on any point you're trying to make. In short, you sound racist. So knock it off.

My reply to the above: Knock what off? This is the talk section, I havent made any changes to the main body of the text (although I will if someone else does not). I write "So what" in response to something that is pure opinion, and contains numerous statements that are completely unsupported. As for me sounding racist, Koreans trying to change English articles to support the Korean viewpoint on wikipedia is a very well known problem.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shakuhachi (talk • contribs) .

"...Korean viewpoint on wikipedia is a very well known problem..." Do you have any stats/surveys on this? This statement makes no impact in this discussion.

Additionally, it seems to me that Japanese Wikipedians are more active nationalists than Koreans are. Read the very early versions of Dokdo/Takeshima article. It sounds very very very Japanese-sided. So I changed it. Also read several early versions of the Sea of Japan naming dispute article. It sounds very very very Japanese. I changed it too, old sports.

And the very existence of this manga is the proof of the Japanese nationalism.

I am not surprised to see those POV statements criticizing this manga with those generalized, unreliable comments. This manga is outrageous in the first place. It deserves such comments.

(Wikimachine 18:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]

"...Korean viewpoint on wikipedia is a very well known problem..." Do you have any stats/surveys on this? This statement makes no impact in this discussion.

I dont believe there are any organisations compiling these kinds of statistics, but in your profile, you admit it yourself.

I main objective in the English version of Wikipedia is to promote Korean history and culture, since I am one myself. I believe that working on Korean version of Wikipedia is not as meaningful as working on the English version because this is the international language and more people will learn about Korea through the English version than they would through the Korean version.

That is exactly the kind of problem I am talking about. You are trying to use wikipedia to "promote Korean history and culture", and certainly Korean viewpoints.

I am not surprised to see those POV statements criticizing this manga with those generalized, unreliable comments. This manga is outrageous in the first place. It deserves such comments.

Just because you consider the manga to be "outrageous" does not mean untruthful statements should be written about it on wikipedia, whether you think it "deserves such comments" or not.

By the way, there is still no citation for this sentence in the main issues section.

"The Hate Korea Wave" portrays Koreans and Chinese as base peoples, advocating confrontation with them. The book says South Korea owes its current success to Japan and describes China as the "world's pirating king"

No such information or quotes are to be found in Kenkanryu. Shakuhachi 06:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]