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You are right, of course

What seems to be impossible is to get help for differently able editors. Regarding AspieNo1, please read WP:AUTISM and you will see some of the difficulties faced. I've been trying hard to help and failing miserably. The DMW article? I agree with the closure from the weight of argument, but wish some of the arguments had not been put forward. The gentleman does have a minor inherent notability, probably just the right side of the line for keeping, but the discussion was closed correctly in my view. Fiddle Faddle 10:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, trust me... I don't need to read WP:AUTISM to understand. I was lead on a 7-day special on ASD that won a few awards, and spent a lot of time immersed with a variety of people on the spectrum over a period of 3 months while researching it. I only glanced at the AfD, and found it closed properly, but yes, there are likely other factors that should be taken into account ES &L 10:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome to hear that you understand many of the issues. AspieNo1 does listen, and does so in great detail with excellent comprehension, but it takes some time to be processed once understood. Fiddle Faddle 11:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copy of response to message on my talk: I have used Userfy request and asked to userfy or Sandbox as stated in every message ... no response. Many people in the autistic spectrum and with disabilities, have heard of, met or somehow know of or have had dealings with Damon and his family, and familiar. It would be weird if that wasn't the case! If I was close to the issue, don't you think I would have been at the funeral rather then holding the fort and posting yesterday, on work computer, laptop, etc? AspieNo1 (talk) 11:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 11:15, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is part of the problem Aspie: please only make ONE posting - do not copy it to multiple places. Discussions are ALWAYS to be kept in one location. I have reviewed Bbb23's talkpage - you did NOT ask for userfication/sandbox - you left paragraphs of reasons as to why the article should have been kept - which of course would make Bbb23 believe your intent was to return it to articlespace. If you did request userfication, it's well-hidden among giant walls-of-text ... so much so that even I cannot see it. I really believe you should spend a few weeks watching Wikipedia before making further edits ... this may help you to understand a) the purpose of this project, b) the processes of this project, and c) important things like notability. You clearly are too immersed in this topic to be objective, and I'm not saying that as a bad thing. There are reasons why I avoid certain articles myself ES &L 11:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What?

To what is this apparently automated message from you in reference? Kylepeer (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's called a "Welcome message" - there's certainly no need to copy/paste it here ... I know exactly what it said. I'm sure that having read the article talkpage, you already realize that you're trying to edit an article that is extremely controversial in nature - certainly not the type of article that a new editor should jump right into. In fact, the concepts that you state you're trying to add have been the subject of extensive discussion ... but you already know that, having read the talkpage. Tread carefully in controversial articles ES &L 17:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help Request

Hi,

You welcomed me to wikipedia, thank you for that :) I am really confused as to what i am allowed to do. There is apparently a section where you can review new pages. I have tried this and there should be a curation tool, there is none for me. If you could help me out as to what I am allowed to do to contribute to Wikipedia, I would be grateful :) MrBauer24 (talk) 14:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Advertising userboxes on categories which the userbox adds the user to.

This message is to inform you that there is an on-going RfC on WP:VPP#Advertising userboxes on categories which the userbox adds the user to. that I think you may be interested in. Technical 13 (talk) 19:27, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your quick comments on The Departed talk page.

With appreciation for your quick review of The Departed film page and going through some of the dialogue. The consensus process is certainly different than a voting process and I referred to it only as a way to see if there were people on both sides of the discussion or otherwise. It was a surprise to me that no one on the page had asked any questions regarding the actual books which were meticulously studied and footnoted in the new section edit.

The Departed film (2006) is presently going through a process of major reappraisal in film theory literature following the capture of the leading crime character portrayed in the film. Following his capture in 2011 virtually all of the literature in film theory has gone to the view that the film is based on the biography of the captured Whitey Bulger. Prior to 2011, from 2006, virtually all of the literature was acknowledging The Departed as originating from a Hong Kong film trilogy called Infernal Affairs. After 2011 and the Bulger capture this view of the overwhelming Bulger orientation of the film even to the exclusion of even mentioning the film trilogy at all has taken place. The 4 cites were given together in the New Edit as evidence of this reversal of film theory opinion from 2011.

This situation is comparable to the film Citizen Kane in film theory (also an academy award winner) where the film was originally thought to be based on a fictional story developed by Orson Welles but only later discovered to be the biography of Randolph Hearst, the newspaper magnate. Today, opinion in film theory acknowledges the biographical aspect of the film as preferred.

The entirety of the wikipage for The Departed is split between the history of these two opinions, even though since 2011 the new opinion dominates film theory literature and all of the many books still coming out on Bulger as we speak. The Lead section you refer to in your note does not agree with the Summary Box for the film at the top of the Page which only mentions the film trilogy as a source for the film. The current Theme section of this film only mentions the Bulger influence and ignores the film trilogy entirely. The current Reception section of this film only mentions the film trilogy as a source and excludes mentioning the Bulger influence (i.e., not NPOV or balanced in the different sections of this wikipage).

My intention in adding the new section was to warn/inform readers of the wikipage that there are two radically different views of where the film origins came from and the Both points of views will appear randomly throughout the film page.

It takes roughly 21-22 hours to read the four books on Bulger to get all this info and I do not expect you to do that level of research. Your comment to me sounded well thought through and you can tell me if you think this is an issue or a non-issue worthy of clarification on The Departed wikipage for the benefit of its readers. Once again my appreciation for your looking at these film comments. AutoMamet (talk) 13:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First - you should keep ALL discussions together. The above should have been done as a response to my response on Bbb's talkpage - that way he knew it was being discussed in one location. As it's by your own definition considered "current research", the information you're trying to provide about Bulger makes more sense on Bulger's page, not on a page about the movie. A single, simple reference on the movie page makes sense. In about 10 years, the movie page may possibly be amendable once there is public agreement about the books, documentation, etc. The movie page is about the movie and NOT about a person. ES &L 14:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick comments. In the process of the discussion of the Departed dispute, two of the editors started to make retributive edit deletions by the going through my contrib page. As a result the entire Theme section of Raging Bull (Scorsese) was also deleted as a retribution edit. The Raging Bull Theme section has 3 separate edits and referenced (cited) paragraphs relating directly to the film. If you could look at the old Theme section there to see the status. A retribution deletion is usually not supposed to occur. AutoMamet (talk) 15:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not likely retribution - more of following up on other edits to make sure that similar problem edits have not occurred elsewhere. I'll be honest: movie articles are subject to a lot of problems - too many rookie AND veteran editors add things to them that really don't belong. You're learning early in your "career" what does and does not belong, so you'll be in good shape as you progress ES &L 15:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update: (from last week)

Thanks for your comment from last week and for the learning experience add-ons. After reviewing a dozen other film examples and looking through the edit history of The Departed, I managed to find an old section which was partially deleted and which came very close to covering the material which I had in mind for my own edit and thought to incorporate them together. The result looks something like this:

"Section: The film Infernal Affairs as a source for Scorsese's film The Departed"

"There were three choices available to Scorsese in 2005 for the early production phases of planning for The Departed which included purchasing the book rights for either the 2000 New York Times bestseller on Boston crime boss Whitey Bulger by D. Lehr, or the 2004 book on Bulger by P. Kahem, or, third, to purchase the distribution rights for the 2002 Hong Kong film trilogy Infernal Affairs. Of the three choices, Scorsese chose the purchase the distribution rights for Infernal Affairs and to base the character portrayed by Jack Nicholson on Boston crime boss Whitey Bulger. The enumeration of the many differences and similarities of the two film have been documented extensively in many books including Kam Louie's Hong Kong Culture: Word and Image from 2010 and Mark Conrad's The Philosophy of Martin Scorsese from 2009. These differences and similarities can be explicated in the following enumeration: (a) The most obvious is the fact that Infernal Affairs takes place in Hong Kong, while The Departed took place in Boston; (b) The major "bust" in Infernal Affairs revolved around a cocaine deal, while The Departed focused more on the bust of a sale of microprocessors believed to be used for nuclear warheads (which were being sold to Chinese intelligence agents); (c) The character Dignam (Mark Wahlberg) does not have an equivalent in Infernal Affairs. (d) Dr. Madolyn Maddon is a composite of three Infernal Affairs characters: Yan's (Costigan) psychologist, Lau's (Sullivan) girlfriend, and Yan's ex-girlfriend; (e) Dr. Lee, like Maddon, counsels Yan and later realized his true identity; (f) Lau's girlfriend is another police officer, who like Maddon learns of her boyfriend's mob connection through a tape sent by Yan (Costigan), while the mother of Yan's child is a separate woman, unrelated to the other two; (g) Costigan has an unborn son, while Yan's daughter was born several years earlier; (h) Lau is kept alive at the end of Infernal Affairs and Infernal Affairs III, while Sullivan was killed in The Departed; (i)In the scene where Lau (Sullivan) meets Sam (Costello), they meet at a standard movie theater, while in The Departed, Sullivan and Costello meet in a porno theater; (j) In Infernal Affairs, Lau stops working for Sam due to a change of heart, and a desire to be "the good guy", while in The Departed, Sullivan stops working for Costello because it was discovered that he was an FBI informant, and he would have eventually given Sullivan over to the FBI; (k) In The Departed, Costigan tips off Queenan through text messages; (l) In Infernal Affairs, Yan (Costigan) contacts Wong (Queenan) through morse code."

This is what the restored section for "Infernal Affairs as a Source for Scorsese's film The Departed" should look like after a week of edits. The current Page does not have a comparable section. If you have comments on its usefulness or improvements possibly you could make them like last time? 208.120.96.227 (talk) 01:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your valued contributions to various discussions I am having with other people.

Now, please let me talk uninterrupted.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 23:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]