Talk:Prison rape

Would it be considered inflammaory or advancing the neutrality of this article to include a point of view pertaining to the following:

“prisoners are convinced that prison rape is an integral part of the prison punishment system,” adding that inmates frequently contend that “…prison rape is sanctioned by prison authorities. They view it as the ultimate method of control and punishment” (1974, p. X). It is in this manner that the prison staff essentially serves to perpetuate and exacerbate the labeling process for “homosexuals” within the prison."

Source being: Weiss, C. & Friar, D. J. (1974). Terror in prisons: Homosexual rape and why society condones it. Indianapolis: Bobbs-Merril, Inc.

Excerpt obtained from: http://www.shsu.edu/~piic/summer2002/Hanser.htm

Reporduction permission unknown / unstated. Xiaou 23:45, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Garbage

The [un-named and un-verifiable] mother of a [un-named and un-verifiable] rape victim who committed suicide in prison testified in Congress that a [un-named and un-verifiable] prison warden told her before her son’s suicide that, “This happens to everbody. Learn to deal with it. It’s no big deal.”

Proof? Citation? This sounds like B.S. tripe to me.

The fact that there is no citation is troubling (and thus the connection between prison rape and suicide should likely be covered in a different way), but the rates of suicide for survivors of rape are higher in the "free world," so it would come as no surprise to think the same for those in prison as well. As the folks at Human Rights Watch point out in their report below, the statistics for suicide in the context of rape are likely to increase when the victim feels as if there is no chance that the victimization will come to an end, and that his or her safety remains in danger. This is certainly the case for victims of rape that remain incarcerated with their victimizers. Blondlieut 16:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bias Towards Race

"Black-on-black rape is by far the most common aggressor/victim combination in that State." Citation? Proof? Statistics? 209.195.139.131 16:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC) Actually, my understanding is that this is not in fact the case, that white inmates are more likely to be victims of rape, and that the agressor is far more likely not likely to be white. While there are many whites in prison who likewise are preparators of prison rape, their victims tend to be other whites. The reasons for this are unclear. I'll try to find a reference. Blondlieut 20:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed whites do tend to be victims far more often. Here is a citation to a report by Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html#_1_27 Blondlieut 00:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC) A very thorough, professional report that covers many questions, including those regarding sexual orientation.[reply]

On bias as a whole, let's remove most of the uses of the word "gay" from this article. It's true that imates who rape other inmates often call them gay and that this is a projection of their own fear over their actions. It's also true that they feel threatened by new inmates who refuse to rape for similar reasons. That being said, they are in general not gay and the constant use of the word in this article is both questionable and appears foolish. - Kuzain 07:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to disagree with Kuzain's analysis. It may very well be the case that the "gay" in the prison context means something different than in the free world. Then again, "sex" means something different in the prison context than in the free world. To the extent that so many young men, particular young men in the so-called "underclass" are inculcated into the sex mores of anti-female and anti-gay world of prison sex (where gay and female are conflated, and degraded, and thereafter victimized, regardless of the victims' pre-prison sexual identity), talking about sexual orientation is relevant. It's also worth noting that in the context of prison, being (actually) gay, for both prisoners and guards, seems to make the victim of sexual aggression impossible to categorize as a victim of "rape," given the strange and bizarre ways in which prison sex is imagined and categorized. Of course, even to speak of someone who is "actually" gay is somewhat of the mark, as in prison culture, once someone is "turned out" (i.e., forcibly sodomized, and "made" gay), he becomes the virtual equivalent of someone who in the outside world we might otherwise recognized as someone would be otherwise gay. It may be that a more nuanced and a more thorough explanation of the issue is merited, however.Blondlieut 16:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stormfront??

Do we really need an external link to a well-known hate group? Keep in mind that having it casts a different light on the race section in the article.