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If you're reading this, and you're waiting on me for a response to something, please remind me of it. I've had family in and out of the hospital recently on top of computer problems, so some balls got dropped.--Tznkai (talk)

Also, if anyone is disturbed by my constant self depreciating reference to the Judgement of Solomon, please let me know.--Tznkai (talk)

Trout: Bad vote

You have voted voted a disambiguation page mu. I'm wondering if you're trying to convey a nuance of meaning other than "no"? (Or at least a Western / American "no"). NE Ent 10:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am confused why I'm being trouted, is it because I didn't link correctly? No matter, I'm using wu in the sense that it is used to answer koans and other loaded questions, that is, to reject the inquiry as ill-founded.--Tznkai (talk) 14:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification. The primary reason you were trouted is because you have the open to trouting user box on your use page. Practice I was referring to is WP:INTDAB. Per WP:TROUT such things are not meant to be taken seriously. NE Ent 12:33, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This thread is floundering. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NE Ent, thanks, I was just concerned I had missed something more serious. George, there is a special circle of hell reserved for child molesters, punsters, and people who talk at the theater.--Tznkai (talk) 15:58, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to come to this party late, but just saw the vote you made and wanted to add "mou" to your repertoire of ways to say it in Asian languages, if it's not already there. That's how you say it in Cantonese (maybe also other southern varieties of Chinese? Not sure.) If you already knew that, please disregard my message. If not... well, you can still disregard it if you so choose. :-) Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information! I wouldn't know on the other dialects of Chinese, since they're pretty much independent languages inexplicably bound by a shared written language. Source it and add it to the page?--Tznkai (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's already in the infobox, at least, which might be sufficient if there's nothing particularly Cantonese to say about it. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding appeal Cihsai

Hi Tznkai, upon your advice I have informed the three editors on their talk pages. I was not aware that such notice was my responsibility, therefore thank you for your advice. I wish to inform the editor Omer182 as well who had taken a lead role in discussion back in 2007-2008. Would he be allowed to contribute under the "uninvolved editors" section, if he prefers to interfere?

I wish to make some further statements in view of the comments of "uninvolved editors" as well as possibly "involved editors". Can you please advise where I can insert such new statements?Cihsai (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cihsai, you would add comments under "statement by Cihsai", other editors will add their comments where they will in their best judgement.--Tznkai (talk) 04:34, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,I have of course acknowledged your decision about the ban. I know that your decision is not subject to discussion. However I am eager to know the reasons for your decision. Therefore I kindly ask you to provide comments to the statements I have made. I have let some time to pass and reevaluated my statements. I beleive I have presented the facts in understandable English. My common sense as well as the Wikipedia guidelines as quoted in my statement, lead me to beleive that those facts would not render me to have deserved a ban. Actually I would expect the counterparts to be criticised.I wonder whether I have failed to present the facts or the “Rules” are very different from what I understand.Thanks in advanceCihsai (talk) 20:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A new policy

Maybe Wikipedia should adopt a new (old) policy - that people who have been accused of doing pseudoscience are, in virtue of that, deemed sub-human. That way you can treat them anyway you like and since they're not really people, BLP doesn't apply. Or maybe Wikipedia, and its wikistrators, could show some human decency. The choice is yours. Barleybannocks (talk) 19:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Barleybannocks, I have a couple pet peeves when it comes to Wikipedia. The first is lazy allusions to Orwell. The second is what you are doing here, asking rhetorical and loaded questions, and otherwise using mendacious framing. (Really, these are the same pet peeve). Either way, I don't appreciate it, and your polite language in no way lessens the fact that you are accusing me of being inhumanly indecent.

You act like someone who is looking for a fight, and I am not interested in having that fight. I in fact, have Christmas and family events this week, and I don't wish to inflict on my loved ones the bad mood that inevitably results when I've spent my day trying to be reasonable on Wikipedia with no chance of success. I have no interest in playing the villain in the narrative you have constructed above. Wikipedia isn't perfect. Sometimes, I doubt it is even good, but it certainly isn't this black or white nonsense of your way or we're all monsters. I'm not buying it.

I believe you have, behind the bluster, valid points. This is why I pushed against an indefinite topic ban. I would be interested in helping you return to unrestricted editing, but not at the cost of you heaping abuse on me and the community I have chosen to serve, especially if only to see you rightfully banned again for your behavior.

If what you remain interested in is the argument you tried to start above, I will now grant you the last word. If later wish to find me for constructive purposes, you know where to find me.--Tznkai (talk) 19:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other people have lives too. Lives that should be free from public abuse. No?Barleybannocks (talk) 20:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Barleybannocks. I understand you feel abused, and believe me you have nothing on me, but Tzankai is the admin who tried to make things work for you, to make it easier. I think most admins are doing their best but its not easy to see the evidence in these cases. You cannot improve anything with these attacks. I know more than you can imagine what the AE judgment feels like, three times over, but this approach cannot change anything . You cannot shed light on a dark place with more dark. The system no longer works and that must change in time, but change will not happen on Wikipedia in isolation of the community, and isolation is what we create with this approach. And again Tznkai was the admins who tried to approach this in an enlightened and even novel way. I thank him for beginning to look at approaches that are more just than in the past. He needs support not attacks. Best wishes. (Littleolive oil (talk) 21:14, 24 December 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Olive, I don't feel abused. I was talking about the outrageous BLP violations that are happening on the Sheldrake article and talkpage and which are being facilitated by Tznkai amongst others via their current ban feeding frenzy. And the fact they are unwilling to spend more than a few minutes checking out the false allegations against editors or the egregious BLP violations means, since they have the power to stop it and instead are knowingly facilitating it, that they are ultimately as responsible as those who are writing it and raising the actions. Barleybannocks (talk) 21:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First, I'm not sure why you would include an admin who tried to help, in your allegations. Second, in an AE, an admin can apply a sanction, but another single admin cannot overturn that sanction.Wikipedia has AE processes established by a community, and no admin can counter those processes as an individual with out making a worse mess than there is already.You've been told Tznkai will help you because he feels you have valid points, and there are appeal processes as well. You are talking about abuses here call it what you will, and you can't overcome that nor is anyone likely to help if you approach them this way. That's all I'm saying. And I've been where you are multiple times so know that I can understand.You have options, and perhaps take Tznkai up on his offer to help in a few days. Best wishes.(Littleolive oil (talk) 22:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Regarding the Alfonzo Green AE case...

Hi Tznkai, regarding my closure here of the AE case regarding Alfonzo Green, it was brought to my attention that perhaps enough time wasn't given for further consideration of Alfonzo's comments due to the holiday yesterday. Did you have any intent on making a substantive change in your position regarding that case after Alfonzo's comments and before my closure? Please let me know if so... Thanks. Zad68 21:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on Zad68's talk page.--Tznkai (talk) 21:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some food for thought

Amanda Hess' article on being a woman subject to threats on the internet. The law-enforcement part isn't our problem per se, but the dynamic is.--Tznkai (talk)