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Spoilers

User:Glenn Magus Harvey has been trying to remove spoilers over and over. Different wording is used for each edit, but considering the fixation on one particular sentence, it's pretty clear the edits were made with the same intention. Pretty sure spoilers shouldn't be a concern.

I also have IRC logs where he states that his intention was entirely to remove spoilers, but I don't know if it would be proper to paste them over (although that channel doesn't have a "don't paste logs elsewhere" rule anyway) NotARealWord (talk) 13:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the event that someone nitpicks that Glenn Magus Harvey wasn't warned about removing so-called "spoilers", I've placed the standard notice on his talk page.[1] Also, given the first edit summary, it is quite clear that the subsequent edits are in violation of WP:SPOILER, so the IRC log shouldn't be necessary to demonstrate that he is editing the article in a disruptive manner. If he continues to remove of otherwise obscure the plot detail, take it to the administrator's noticeboard. —Farix (t | c) 13:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I know that Wikipedia's policy is spoiler-ignoring. I've also seen that pages for other anime series that essentially provide plot summaries that are spoiler-free yet informative. In my most recent edit, I aimed for a the solution that also best serves Wikipedia's aim to be encyclopedic (describing the role of plot details rather than presenting trivia). (For what it's worth, I have the IRC logs as well and I'm saying the same thing here as I said there.) Alternatively (as I stated on IRC as well), I have considered writing up summaries for all the characters. ~GMH talk to me 14:07, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as a "spoiler-free" plot summary—unless you are like me and believe that there is not such thing as spoilers. If it is "spoiler-free", then it is incomplete. —Farix (t | c) 14:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Role of plot details" the way you wrote it was needlessly vague, and using terms like "drives the story" is steering towards interpretation rather than a straightforward recap. And those other pages don't exactly mean anything for what standards to use, considering I can very easily bring up an article that does "spoil" plot details. NotARealWord (talk) 14:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Farix: By that I mean statements of a plot in more general terms, such as in the overview section of Kiddy Grade, which describes story details using descriptions like "start to see the darker side of the GOTT" and "[t]heir past is gradually revealed". I'll admit that my wording is probably not the best, so feel free to suggest a better wording. Alternatively, as I mentioned, I'm thinking of just fleshing out the rest of the characters section by adding similarly-sized short summaries, as the list of characters without description is rather uninformative. ~GMH talk to me 14:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of full disclosure, NARW and I have been arguing about this on IRC concurrently. (NARW and I know each other from another context.) ~GMH talk to me 14:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I can easily find an article that spoils things. First one that came to mind: The Fullmetal Alchemist article describes the nature off the conspiracy plot, the villain's identity and plans, and how things end for the lead characters. And I'm pretty sure some people would argue that "see the darker side" is itself a spoiler since it could suggest a change in tonality of the story. That what qualifies as a spoiler is even remotely arguable is probably one of the reasons why Wikipedia needs to completely ignore spoiler concerns. NotARealWord (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]