Talk:Criminon

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Removing this Series Template. This is not correct usage of Series Templates per the guidelines. They were set up to show the history of countries and were different articles form a sequential series. This is not the case with the Scientology pages, which are random pages on different topics – not a sequence of any kind. Wiki’s definition of a series is: “In a general sense, a series is a related set of things that occur one after the other (in a succession) or are otherwise connected one after the other (in a sequence).” Nuview 02:05, 10 January 2006 (PST)

That introduction states a completely false information

it says: "Criminon is an element of the Scientology movement directed at rehabilitating prisoners, in particular those with mental illnesses." But going to the Criminon website, the main thing mentioned is not about "mental illnesses" but about drugs. Where does that other, unsupported, uncited information about "in particular those with mental illnesses" come from? There's not only no cite for that, but particularly, the Criminon site states otherwise. Terryeo 09:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC) Oh, I see, it was placed in there from the beginning. Well, I'll remove that uncited bit. If there is discussion on it, we can put it back. Terryeo 09:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is totally false and so was the article in the LA Times that made this up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.60.153.202 (talk • contribs) .

Urban report and FASE

I couldn't find that report on the urban.org site. I'd prefer a direct link rather than a copy on Criminon's site. As well, FASE is not a disinterested third-party. It seems exist only in a tight circle of scientologist organizations that share many of the same people, and publish approvals of each other. AndroidCat 23:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FASE is a Scientology front group: Boston Herald 3/5/98 And more importantly, when the state of Utah found out Criminon/Narconon's ties to Scientology, they dropped them like a hot potato. [1] wikipediatrix 23:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

Just a quick question regarding the introduction of this article. The program has used correspondence materials to treat hundreds of prisoners at the high security California State Prison, Corcoran, beginning in 1990[3]. Now, my enlgish may be a bit off, I'm not a native speaker and all, but to me that sentence implies that the program has actually suceeded in its atempts to... cure these prisoners. Is there any evidence supporting this? 62.231.141.214

Find Out for Yourself

All of my research points to this being a very promising program. Countries around the world have implemented the program and are sticking with it.

I was able to find the following website, which contains a link to a study which was done in the Honduras:

http://www.able.org/about/studies-white-papers.php?specific=criminon&lb=/programs/criminon

Additionally, I understand that in the states, the Urban Institute is in the process of conducting an unbiased, scientific study of the Criminon program and will be releasing their findings in 2007 or thereabouts. How about we let the unbiased experts decide on this one, since they're already working on doing so?

And if you really want to see a "cult" of sorts, witness the volume of websites devoted to attacking Scientology with no real hard data to back them up. These people have obviously spent a *lot* of time and energy attacking this group, with the seeming intention of protecting people from it - if nothing else, that sure doesn't give people a whole lot of credit for being able to look and figure things out for themselves. It's really a shame since we live in a society where quite a few people are deterred from actually looking at something new for themselves if they sense a potential for drama or for being ostracized in any way as a result. I'm curious to learn the true intentions of the anti- campaign. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to help people who wpend their time trying to make the world a better place.