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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 209.8.184.25 (talk) at 04:38, 3 January 2004. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

This talk page has been merged with articles previously at Romans road and biblical salvation.

  • Romans road and biblical salvation. These were essentially religious tracts posted by a new user. I took the text from Romans road and added it to salvation, attempted to state it somewhat more neutrally, and wikified it. Biblical salvation is a sub-stub. These pages are now redundant, though. -- Smerdis of Tlön 01:57, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. I took most of the pure evangelism out of Biblical salvation and what is left does not justify a page. Romans road is tract material. silsor 02:48, Nov 8, 2003 (UTC)
    • Merge and delete. We already have a salvation article, so both can be deleted, I think. I suggest merging the content into salvation or Talk:salvation first. Daniel Quinlan 09:36, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)
    • The GFDL requires attributing contributions to authors. You can't use the material unless you preserve the attribution. -- Oliver P. 05:58, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Many Christian denominations view the process of salvation as being systematical in approach based on scripture. See also Romans road.

To whoever described this as weird; This is actually a fairly standard approach among Evangelical Christians for describing the process of becomeing a Christian. DJ Clayworth 17:54, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I suspect that these pages ought to be rewritten so as to be encyclopedia material, rather than sermons (I know, it's sometimes hard) and then incorporated into a general article on salvation, perhaps under a subheading about Biblical texts on salvation. -- Smerdis of Tlön 18:32, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Many Christian denominations view the process of salvation as being systematical in approach based on scripture. also see Romans road

First in this consideration is self reflection and considering ones state both morally and mortally, as follows.

Salvation means to be rescued from sin and the eventual consequences of sin. 

  Why do you need salvation?

Because the Bible say’s “it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment”(Heb. 9:27) Some day we will all stand before God to give account of ourselves.. Most people might say to that “I’m good, or my good deeds out weigh my bad deeds or my church affiliation will get me into heaven etc.” The Bible says nothing about good deeds outweighing bad deeds, The Bible say’s “for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans3:23) According to the Bible none of us are good enough to get to Heaven. How then can we go to Heaven?

This preceding is the problem, being our moral dilemma and the solution is shown Biblically.

The Bible says that there is only one way to Heaven ! Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.”(John 14:6) “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”(acts 4:12) (If there were any other way to Heaven Jesus would not have to come pay the price for our sins with his blood) God Loves you and wants to save you from eternal punishment for sin. (Hell) But first you must realize that you are a sinner and that good works will not save you. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9) Do you trust God or your own goodness ? Secondly you must realize that there is a price to pay for sin. “for the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23) GOD loved you so much that he sent his Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ to pay the price for your sins. “but God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners. Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8) You must be willing to turn from sin and repent. Jesus said: “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish”(Luke 13:5) Will you ask Jesus to be your Lord and Saviour? “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”(Romans 10:13)

Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried, and rose from the dead.. “for God so loved the world , that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”(John 3:16) “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved”(Romans 10:9)

In prayer, ask JESUS to come into your life. Ask him to be your Saviour. “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” (Romans 10:10)

A suggested prayer (Dear Lord, I know I am a sinner, in need of your forgiveness, I believe Jesus Christ shed his precious Blood on the cross and died for my sin. I wish to turn from my sin and now invite Jesus Christ to come into my heart and life to be my Lord and personal Saviour.) Amen

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away: behold, all things are become new”(2 Corinthians 5:17) Read your Bible daily, apply what it says to your life, Pray daily, and find fellowship with other believers whom have accepted Christ as Saviour by faith. Also see John 3:3, Acts 4:12, and John 1:12

also see Romans road

"Christians' View"

I found it odd that "Christians' View" occurred after 4 paragraphs, 3 of which were about the view of Christians. That is, almost the entire article seems to be the view of Christians, with the sole exception of the 4th paragraph in the section preceding the "Christians' View" heading.

Indeed, the opening paragraph seems to define salvation as a topic of interest chiefly to Christians. Not sure what the corresponding terms or concepts are in Judaism, Islam, or other comparable faiths, or whether they have a doctrine of "salvation" that is congruent to the Christian notion of it. If someone wishes to supply that, the heading may be needful. As it stands now, it seems redundant, but harmless. -- Smerdis of Tlön 19:54, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Does RCC follow John Calvin, or Jacobus Arminius, or elsewise ?

It appears to me that the article says that the West is split into two camps, one following Augustine and John Calvin, and one following Jacobus Arminius. I suppose the largest branch of the Church in the West is the Catholic Church; which does it follow ? (I find it surprising if it follows Calvin, frankly; I don't actually know who the Dutch person is.)

What does this mean: "In Christianity, salvation is arguably the most important spiritual concept," - does that mean some sects argue that point of view? Which ones?

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