Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 August 5

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5 August 2006

GraalOnline page

The GraalOnline article was on wikipedia since 3 years and the content was accepted by everyone until 2 peoples decide to modify the article because of a dispute between them and the graalonline administration. A private mediation was started but this mediation was badly managed and the mediator was then involved in a private war with pro-GraalOnline people and decided that the article should be deleted, that's how the request for deletion was started.

The reasons to delete the article were changed a few time and the discussion has focused to known if GraalOnline is WP:WEB or not.

GraalOnline (http://www.graalonline.com) is a commercial game and is existing since more than 8 years now, more than 300000 people have played the game and each month 50000 people are actively playing the game. in the discussion lot of arguments have been put on the table to show that the GraalOnline article was notable, a list of 5 reviews of GraalOnline on top gaming web site have been given and should be enough to respect the notable criteria as explained in the WP:WEB#Criteria for web content :

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/overview/gameID/38 This is the biggest web site for MMO game
http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/software/graalonline.php One of the biggest game review web site
http://www.virtualworldlets.net/Worlds/Reviews/Reviews.php?ID=22
http://macteens.com/index.php/features/fullstory/review_graal_online/ One of the biggest mac site
http://graalonline.softonic.com/ie/50364

A simple search on google for GraalOnline show more than 60000 results most links are from well known gaming site.

The reason given to delete the article is really strange to me even if i am not a experienced wikipedia User, the main reason is the counting of votes... Most keep votes (16) were argumented with lot of content when Delete votes (17) were just referring to WP:WEB with no arguments or arguments that have nothing to do with GraalOnline. Some sysops have been involved in this discussion and think that the article must be keeped and improved and not deleted.

Thanks for reviewing this decision Graal unixmad 13:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion log

Out of process deletion of the above article by Freakofnurture. I can't see any valid reason for deletion, and it wasn't listed at WP:RFD. It was also a soft redirect, so it didn't have the normal problem that cross-namespaces have. --Hetar 04:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List at WP:RFD. Personally, I consider soft redirects cross-namespace as well. But cross-namespace redirects aren't speediable anyway, so let it have a discussion first. BryanG^(talk) 05:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
List at WP:RFD per BryanG. --David Mestel^(Talk) 10:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]