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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Neurosys zero (talk | contribs) at 05:21, 28 August 2015. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Hello, Vinixglobal, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Thank you!

I changed my username to reflect me as an individual. I appreciate the feedback

From what I read I am not at COI with this article as I am not, work for or represent that organization.

Thanks for the heads up tho! I've always been interested in contributing to Wikipedia. This is where i stated and plan to do more, especially with your feedback and the assistance you provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neurosys zero (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your thanks. I am glad you now feel me less of an "assclown" than you expressed on IRC, but do please avoid the lack of transparency that goes along with off-Wiki coordination. VQuakr (talk) 02:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since we are on the subject: firstly, I do not need to avoid any lack of transparency if I am speaking the truth. This isn't a conspiracy involving the Masons in Angels Vs. Demons. This is a good project and community that deserves to be recognized. I asked what he felt would help keep 2600hz on wikipedia because while I use Wikipedia everyday, I never contribute, so i did not know exactly what was expected. I did a quick google search to locate the additional sources and I elaborated on certain things in the article. I have seen much less "credible" articles on Wikipedia over my years and it is honestly disappointing that you as an admin appear to be so hell bent on deleting their existence on Wikipedia based on some unknown agenda that clearly doesn't line up with the spirit of Wikipedia.

While I know the 2600hz team, I am in the telecom industry and the owner of Vinix. An ITSP not controlled or affiliated with 2600hz, based in Miami. I choose (as have many other companies) to use the software developed by the 2600hz project for my network and I can tell you that many VoIP companies today would not exist if not for the hard work of the 2600hz team. Their presence on wikipedia is important because other aspiring telecoms who cannot afford 500k and up in licensing fees might learn of the 2600hz project on Wikipedia. 2600hz could have been like every other company and closed source their work charging big money for that. Instead they choose to give it to the world for free! That's an admirable and amazing thing to do for the telecom, technology and world as a whole - who in the 100 year history has been a very closed and tightly controlled industry (Cartel most would say). My company would still be slaves doing service work for the large telecoms (AT&T. Verizon, Comcast. Etc) if not for the work of open source projects such as 2600hz. And while they may not get fame, WSJ recognition or you don't see them on your TV and in Facebook/Google ads, it doesn't make them any less relevant or worthless. Quite the contrary: It's their work that many many companies you see in the public rely on! With your logic, this is like saying the that the web server software Wikipedia choose to run on does not deserve a Wikipedia article because you never hear of them, or the programming languages used due to their not being spoken about In the world's headlines. For you to threaten their presence on a respected information service by trying to spin the Wikipedia guidelines negatively against them is irresponsible and unwarrantedly aggressive. You obviously put your search skills to work into seeing the 50+ individuals on IRC and the 2600hz channel and saw the relevance of 2600hz. But all you saw was "coordination' as opposed to simply realizing the actual relevance of the 2600hz project.

It would appear from any reasonable and neutral individual that you are overstepping your trust within the Wikipedia community as an admin. It is not a bias opinion. It is a fact and It is clear that 2600hz is not only relevant, but they have been for quite some time - yet you still seem to want to engage in this crusade to remove them from Wikipedia. Is you don't appreciate my description of your behavior, perhaps you should actually pause and re-evaluate that behavior rather than blind attempt to justify it. neurosys_zero (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If I thought the IRC channel was a "big deal" I wouldn't have tipped my hand. Hard to fault someone for not following a guideline of which they have never been informed. Indeed, I chose this talk page of the various new accounts that joined because you expressed interest above in continuing to edit.
You are incorrect in your assessment that this is some big crusade for me; this is pretty run-of-the-mill stuff that is encountered every day at recent changes patrol. I have no doubt that this specific article is not the worst of our ~5 million articles, but we have to start somewhere, no? The increased attention to the 2600hz article can have two possible results - votestacking at the AfD that will be ignored by the admin who closes the discussion, or genuine improvements to the article. If the latter happens, everyone wins. VQuakr (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you are genuine and I am incorrect. For me, I feel it important for them to have a presence on the worlds largest information resource as I am somewhat of an idealist. If not for amazing open source projects such as this one, I would not have my career in technology. I do not feel the intent was to "vote stack" as it was simply to show support for the relevance of the organization and its positive affect on the community. In addition to other people who are looking for such a project to see it on Wikipedia. But correct me if i am wrong: the issue at this point is not so much the resources or citations.. but the "layout"? It reads too much like a white paper or advertisement? I needs to just be cut and dry about the organization, its projects and in the discussion, if there is a fact it needs to be cited. Is this correct? neurosys_zero (talk) 03:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don't delete for fixable stuff such as "it reads like an advertisement" unless there is nothing of value to salvage. Improving the tone and trimming cruft can help editors see that value, but it does not directly address the argument for deletion, which is failure to meet the notability criteria (which in turn boils down to sourcing). It is not even technically necessary to use the sources in the article, but rather to demonstrate that they exist. Please see my last request to refine the feedback that has been given in the discussion. VQuakr (talk) 04:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback - "Media Coverage"

As I noted here, we want to do away with that section once the sources are used to support information in the prose of the article instead. For example, the link you added could be used to support a statement in the "history" or a new "products" section that describes the product instead. VQuakr (talk) 03:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I think I'm understanding more clearly. I am going to rewrite a majority of it and take your suggestion and read the user pace draft and perhaps you can give it a run over and tell me if I'm going in the right direction? neurosys_zero (talk) 03:59, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to. VQuakr (talk) 04:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Am i on the right track? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neurosys_zero/2600hz neurosys_zero (talk) 05:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Right track I'd say, though I am unconvinced that the Ooma connection is germane enough to merit mention. VQuakr (talk) 05:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I used Ooma since they are very well known, on television commercials daily and sold on the shelves at Best Buy. Are you in the US? neurosys_zero (talk) 05:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note I added a reference next to Ooma pointing to its own Wikipedia page ;) neurosys_zero (talk) 05:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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