Module talk:Turkish insurgency detailed map

Map standards

Pbfreespace3 You've done a great job by creating this map but adding Syria to it is a step too far, the map doesn't support it and this is the Turkish Insurgency map and not the Middle east insurgency map (although there is a seperate module which includes all maps from the middle east into one map. [1]) So i think we should stick to turkish locations.

Also we should set a standard for village sizes like i did with the Libyan civil war map Module:Libyan_Civil_War_detailed_map and i think we should add all big cities / important airbases first. How do you think about that? Spenk01 (talk) 01:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

İrrevelant

There is no such "liberated zones" in Turkey right now. Only some clashes with police at some points,and attacks at outskits. İn cities shown as "held by Pkk" still Turkish flag waves and Turkish police, soldiers present. Those declarations of autonomy are only nominal, they are not really helding cities. Sources of this map aren't reliable.

Spenk01 Here's what I could do. I could drop all villages in Syria except those important ones on the border. For example these: Kobani, Serekaniye, Qamishli, etc. Actually no, I'll only do that if YPG and Turkey come into direct conflict. Whatever. I have a standard for village sizes in my brain. It should roughly correspond to actual geographical size in my opinion, as this is the most encyclopedic method of depicting villages. I use Google Earth and superimpose the image on top of the satellite map. I will remove Syrian villages now. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - i have a problem with the utilized colors (red and yellow). Considering that this conflict further evolves, we cannot use red for Turkey, because red is already utilized for Assad government in neighbouring Syria, which is practically in limited conflict with Turkey. Turkey is actually more supportive of the Islamist Syrian rebels, who have a green color. Therefore Turkey, should perhaps be dark green. Furthermore, PKK needs a different yellow shade, to distinguish it from PYD areas in Syria and from Iraqi Kurdistan.GreyShark (dibra) 20:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pbfreespace3 thanks for your efforts on the coloring issue.GreyShark (dibra) 10:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Silvan and reliable sources

So the problem is that Turkish sources do not report about Kurdish cities/towns/villages being 'liberated', so it is difficult to verify reliable sources, but I guess HDP (people) is one of those reliable sources. HDP parliamentarian Ziya Pir has announced that Turkish forces have retreated from Silvan. [2] --Ahmetyal (talk) 17:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the source itself [3]. --Ahmetyal (talk) 17:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you i adjusted it, please stick around and help us keep up this map. Spenk01 (talk) 22:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an english article about the attack on Silvan/Farqîn [4] --Ahmetyal (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adding cities

I'm going to add Kurdish cities with greater than 7,000 population and Turkish cities with something like 500,000. Guess I'll have to figure out how to use this module thing. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:39, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not all that hard. I fact, I think you already know how to use it, since you've added towns. Just ask me if you need help. Please try to adjust city sizes based on actual geographical size. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 16:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Crap. I thought it was based on population size. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Kurdish-held"

How do we define it? Just the PKK or also the DBP? on DBP held cities --Monochrome_Monitor 02:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC) I'm assuming it's just kurdish held places that have declared autonomy from Turkey, no? --Monochrome_Monitor 03:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC) Cause a bunch of towns are declaring self-governance. I'll try to find them. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What to do about the big cities

Istanbul's Gazi neighborhood reportedly declared autonomy, but Istanbul is WAY too big to use a split-color icon. So we'll need to make maps like for major cities in Syria. I also think it would be worthwhile doing this for Batman and Van. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC) Pbfreespace3 I'm considering uploading a submap. What tools are used for this? Wikimapia? --Monochrome_Monitor 13:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like Wikimapia covered in GIMP. --Monochrome_Monitor 14:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Monochrome Monitor, We can do a map, but its entirely up to you to make it. The far easier and better solution is to add a small dot *inside* Istanbul to indicate Gezi. Maybe yellow or some other color to indicate leftists. I will do so shortly. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 15:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually going to need a source for the declaration of autonomy. I can't find any, and we're not going to mark it as contested until a source is provided. 2601:C7:8303:22DC:1DB4:BFDC:1999:782E (talk) 15:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the source [http://kurdishquestion.com/index.php/kurdistan/north-kurdistan/kurds-decide-on-self-government-in-the-face-of-war.html "Istanbul's Gazi neighborhood". --Monochrome_Monitor 23:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll need to make a map. There are entire districts of provinces which have declared autonomy, it's way more specific.

Ugh, Wikimapia doesn't have the districts of Turkey so I'll have to find an image or Gimp it. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Istanbul split in 3 parts isnt the best solution for this problem. I guess making a map for Istanbul (like with damascus) would be worth it even though i have no idea how a map like this is made, i would do it if i knew how.Spenk01 (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And Other Thing

I feel like this title isn't quite fitting. Maybe it will be later, but none of the Kurdish places are really "insurgencies", which implies A: lack of legitimacy and often B: violence. They peacefully declared autonomy. --Monochrome_Monitor 14:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Monochrome Monitor, I am the one who called it the Turkish insurgency detailed map. The reason why I did this is because the PKK is generally recognized as an insurgency. I think "civil war" would be a little too much, so insurgency is better, since it is only located in about one third or one fourth of the country. While different groups recognize the PKK differently, and some districts have declared regional autonomy, I still think insurgency is the best name choice. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 15:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sur district

How exactly should I put this on the map (the dot overlaps with Sur city)? --Monochrome_Monitor 03:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Crap I'm an idiot. It's not the whole sur district, just the city. Weird ambiguous wording. I guess the city is a district of the bigger city rather than the district of the province. What a waste of GIMP. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC) It's so freakin hard to tell when they mean the province or the city, cause the province is often named after the city. In the case of Diyabakir Sur is both a district of diyabakir province and a district of diyabakir city. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Color Sheme

I feel like we usually use reddish colors for government. Green seems too Syrian Rebel. Maybe mauve? --Monochrome_Monitor 04:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Diplomatic relations are more important than declaring 'red is for govermnent'. With your argument we should put kurds on green too because they are eventually rebels right? Besides It's also easier to see who supports who if you combine all maps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Syrian,_Iraqi_and_Lebanon_Conflicts_detailed_map Great work on the map though! Spenk01 (talk) 00:35, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

News

Apparently declaring autonomy is a crime. [5]

I can't get the damn template to update, but here's an awesome map. It's in french but fairly easy to understand through cognates. It shows active fighting and places that have declared autonomy. Both should be on this map-pkk/HGP controlled and kurdish autonomous.--Monochrome_Monitor 06:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update

I'm going to focus on North Kurdistan (putting all the districts on, and all the populated towns listed on wikipedia) with a few exceptions—the PKK targets oil pipelines for sabotage, and they do it quite a bit. We should really have a map of natural gas/oil pipelines on here. And if anyone finds it, it would be nice to put the PKK's mountain bases (rural settlements) on here too. --Monochrome_Monitor!~

Respective wikipedia page

Is there a wikipedia page that corresponds to this? A conflict is definitely underway. Over 70 Turkish security personnel have been killed. --Monochrome_Monitor 12:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Syria

Apparently Syria used to be a part of this module but was removed. Why? The PKK has a presence in Syria and showing Syria gives more regional context. --Monochrome_Monitor 12:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The map is supposed to show the conflict relevant to Turkey, and not Syria.Prohibited Area (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq should be included definitely, considering the PKK has a presence there which has been targeted by Turkish airstrikes. Regardless, care to explain your recent vandalism? --Monochrome_Monitor 23:32, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

May I remind you that on English Wikipedia Vandalism has a very specific meaning. POV pushing or acting out of own biases would not be an example of that. Misunderstanding this has led to several users believing they have a 1RR exception when they haven't and getting blocks. Banak (talk) 23:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think deleting every dot of Kurdish control counts as vandalism. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But I may be wrong. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:27, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]