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SGGS on Meat

Originally prod tagged by Anthony.bradbury with the concern: Evangelical text; not encyclopedic. Prod2a added by me: Additionally the author is not in a position to decide what edits may or may not be made; this in itself is an attempt to maintain the POV of the page. Author then attempted to dispute the prod both on the article's talk page and on User_talk:Anthony.bradbury's but did not remove the prod tag. Following discussion on the article's talk page author proceeded to accuse Anthony.bradbury of bias against Sikhism, and continued by refactoring discussions on both my and AB's talk pages. Author has now removed prrod tag, so I am taking this article to AfD to give the opportunity for wider debate, and am nominating it for deletion on the grounds that as it stands it is a POV article, probably OR, and WP:NOT a soapbox. Tonywalton  | Talk 18:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply Following the posting of the 2 tags, the author, Hari Singh posted a message on both the talk pages of Users - Anthony.bradbury and Tonywalton highlighting other articles where quotations from their holy text appear. Both these users have failed to directly address this matter. No reply has been given to the key question – If quotes from the holy Bible can be allowed, then why can't one quote from the SGGS? --Hari Singh
  • Comment - HariSingh, I have to say that I do agree with *some* of the concerns raised by Anthony.bradbury and Tonywalton. However, I do not agree that the use of quotations is inappropriate. Although this might border on original research, I'm of the opinion that extracting quotes from the Sikh holy book showing differing points of view is akin to referring to other third-party sources. In this sense, it's not original research.
  • However, the article in its current form has serious neutrality issues. It starts by saying what can and cannot appear on the page (which is not appropriate on Wikipedia). Statements like "here is no reason to rely on advice by any other third party." are not appropriate. The tone of the article seems more akin to a "guideline for Sikhs" as opposed to presenting the differing views on meat eating present amongst Sikhs. The views of scriptural sources are the most important for Sikhs, but they are not the only views or opinions.
  • The topic discussed is important, so my opinion is NPOV and merge with Sikh Diet. Sikh Diet might be best moved to Sikh dietary restrictions. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 19:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You say: I do not agree that the use of quotations is inappropriate. Although this might border on original research, I'm of the opinion that extracting quotes from the Sikh holy book showing differing points of view is akin to referring to other third-party sources. In this sense, it's not original research. and I quite agree. I would point out that I made the author aware of this on the article's talk page where I said : If you would like to reword the article, removing attempts at advocacy of your point of view and reporting on what the Guru said the article may survive; note that as well as neutrality verifiability is an absolute criterion for an article to be incuded. with no attempt by the author to do so. Tonywalton  | Talk 20:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


So, if you think quoting from holy text is wrong then all the above articles are also wrong and should be deleted as well! I suggest you read the Talk page on the Article to see the original reasons given for the deletion of this article. It makes comical reading. --Hari Singh 20:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will make no further comment except to say that I would like to see views of contributors other than the author, Tony Walton or myself.--Anthony.bradbury 21:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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