Talk:Wedgwood, Seattle

Early White history

I've heard that Seattle University or the Jesuits once owned a large portion of this land, might have been planning to move their campus out there from central Seattle, and sold the land during the Great Depression. Does anyone know more about this (preferably with citation)? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:15, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

I changed the history section in answer to this question. In case anyone wants to see the text before my edits, here it is. -- Kbritz 19:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

"The land that formed the original core of Wedgwood was purchased in 1929 by the Jesuits, who planned to move Seattle College (now Seattle University) to that tract of land, but by 1940 they had decided not to move, and sold the land to Al Balch in 1940. At that time the land was "completely undeveloped, heavily treed, and with only one structure, a log house that had been built by a landowner prior to 1929." [3]

"Major development of the neighborhood began during World War II; initial development was largely by Al Balch and his partner Maury Seitzer. They built 500 homes on 40 acres (160,000 m²), constituting the center of today's Wedgwood neighborhood. The houses, each of which originally sold for $5,000, currently (as of 2004) go for upwards of $300,000; $450,000 (2006)."

--19:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What is a good article

Wikipedia:What is a good article

Summary: punc per WP:MoS, fmt cit per WP:CITE, +cit so ft, cl layout per WP:GTL, +draft intro para, /*Ext. l.*/ -> /*Further r.*/; see Talk.
Explication: punctuation per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Quotation marks (WP:MoS), format citations per Wikipedia:Cite your sources, added citations so added short full text so text congruent with respect to sources, cleaned up layout (a little) per Wikipedia:Guide to layout and Wikipedia:What is a good article, added draft introductory summary paragraph to the Wikipedia:Lead section, changed /*External links*/ to /*Further reanding*/ per Wikipedia:Cite your sources#Further reading/External links.
WP:WIAGA (Wikipedia:What is a good article) and WP:PERFECT (Wikipedia:The perfect article). Hey, might as well. This article already has much of, if not most of the elements.

Geography and History headings were combined since the topics are each short, and elements of each were combined toward being most concise. Education and religion were combined for similar reasons. Several of the schools have religious sponsors, and the churches, synagogues, and community work together (Wedgwood Elementary is enthusiastically supported). It is notable that businesses are locally-owned.

"[B]ought them out to turn": the City made lemonade out of lemons. As was not uncommon then, though a little less common now, developers obtained permits that should never have been granted. There as elsewhere in the city, the geology and engineering have long been known.

Besides Dahl and the P-Patch, are there other notable parks, green spaces, or Natural Areas in Wedgwood? I believe Wedgwood has been supportive of Thornton Creek (homewatersproject.org would know); nearly all of Wedgwood is in the watershed.

"[B]egan as a heavily wooded ginseng farm": Is woodlot (of a woodland) intended? "[B]egan"? Erm, "The land that formed the original core" emerged at the end of the last glacial period, and has been inhabited for about 10,000 years : ).

Moved the P-Patch paragraph to a more chronological location. See how you like it, we can move elements around. The writing and the history stories really don't lend themselves to a conventional, less interesting, strict timeline narrative. I rather like that.

Can "St. Ignatius became Our Lady of the Lake" be tied more neatly with its earlier story? (Is Our Lady of the Lake, like Wedgwood, from England? (Our Lady of the Lake and Glastonbury.)

--04:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Cite source

1 Geography and history, "'Neighbors' Wedgwood has always been" paragraph:
As a rule of thumb, superlatives should be referenced, "Seattle's largest", "one of the most active in Seattle" [Higgins], (else, for example, "a large", "among the larger"). Thanks for updating the demise of the bicyle shop : ( Thanks for serendipitously leading to an incorrect citation field.
Also, the paragraph itself implies a single source ("'Neighbors' Wedgwood") and has a citation (Higgins {7 February 1998} [fixed]), so sourcing the update could be useful in that respect also.

If a reader wants to cite the article that Wedgwood is thus and so, then they could. Since the article is getting sharp, 'might as well keep in that direction. [Wikipedia:Cite your sources]

What does the article still need in order to qualify for a good rating?

--GoDot 19:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The dance studio's web site is http://www.all-that-dance.com/about/facilities.htm, which confirms their existence and when they opened. I don't have a citation for the dance studio being in the same space that was the bicycle shop. If you really feel we need citation for that, you'll probably have to cite an old Seattle phone book or business directory for it being the same address. About the only place you are likely to turn that up is Seattle Public Library; I'm sure their reference librarian would be able to provide the citation if you ask either on the phone or via the web. There are still a few web sites that erroneously list the bicycle shop there, but presumably they will eventually be corrected, so they make poor citations; what I'd suggest using instead, to cite for the dance studio being in the same space that was the bicycle shop, is http://web.archive.org/web/19961110090130/http://mbronline.com/mbr_html/directry/wa_dir.htm, archived Nov 10, 1996 on the Web archive from a list of mountain bike resources in Washington.

The points for article quality are:

"As a rule of thumb, superlatives should be referenced", and

"the paragraph itself implies a single source ("'Neighbors' Wedgwood") and has a citation (Higgins {7 February 1998} ), so sourcing the update could be useful in that respect". Your reply prompted that at a minimum, we could moderate the superlative and have a simple <ref>All That Dance [1] as of [date]</ref> since this dialogue is about non-controversial info. The sentences are succinct as well.

So the superlative is moot. A question for search skill is, how to find relative sizes within, say, some class of business? If publicly held, could readily look up the annual report. If professional, could find the accreditation qualifications, or such as the "School Guide" by The Seattle Times. Otherwise this is an open question.

Clarity and disambiguation. AFAIK (as far as I know) non-controversial data doesn't require refs, unless the info is important and hard to find: basically, common sense and a bibliography that covers the bases.

If a superlative has no reference, then we could say "a large" or wording to that effect, and we would enhance quality by being solidly grounded. --GoDot 07:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Re you last question, I'd guess, for one, less cruft about the "borders" of a neighborhood that has a universally recognized center but no generally recognized borders. I know you and I disagree about the importance of this information. - Jmabel | Talk 22:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The purported importance is largely only with respect to being exemplary. The Wedgwood article is referenced as a good example of a typical neighborhood having a variety of names, boundaries, and definitions of the neighborhood. This general multiplicity seems to be not well known. (Might as well use an example from an article that's pretty good.) A "recognized center but no generally recognized borders" is typical of conurbations large and small, far and wide, as well as numerous other entities (even up to that of which Fremont is the center ; )

Have we ever met?  : ) --07:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Style

Show in list or table form?

AFAIK (As far as I know) citations are required for quotes, most recommended for controversial or hard-to-find, not required otherwise if an encompassing entry is included in the Bibliography. However, in this case a result is a convenient list of prime answers for prospective residents: what and where are the schools, churches, library, and parks? (In addition, there are two Lutheran churches on 35th {one is Messiah at 70th Street}, and a Presbyterian [2] that also hosts a Korean Presbyterian.

Since they are numerous and have been well and comparably researched, the schools and churches might be even more useful in a table (name, address, affiliation, level). If a top-rated article is desired, that is an element in the criteria that could help for this article.

--04:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright release?

Valarie Bunn: Do we need copyright release to quote? Is her work aleady released? Are her quoted works in the archives at the local library or otherwise publicly available? (per WP:CITE)

Comments, suggestions?

--GoDot 04:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)