Talk:Feyli (tribe)

Ethnocentric efforts by some users

Although the paper is well-documented by authentic citations and scientific resources, some users have tried to change the identity of the paper. Please have a look to citations and prevent them from ethnocentric efforts--Shadegan (talk) 06:06, 12 August 2016

Malicious users are done editing are false and purposeful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hosseinmosavy (talk • contribs) 13:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some vandal users try to make ethnocentric edits. I ask the wikipedia adminstators to warn them to stop their baseless edits. There are very authentic citations and the paper is very well-documented.Elimaei (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Malicious users try to enter bogus information in the text . . Ahad.r.fard (talk) 14:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

some one who don't know wikipedia rules interffererr in this page please help us.Mogoeilor (talk) 17:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A HS:

Feyli Lurs are adjacent to Sorani Kurds and they're not Kurds at all

Both Lurish and Kurdish are Western Iranian languages. Feyli Lurish as the northest part of Lurish has affected on and has been affected by neighbour languages like Kurdish and Hawrami. You can also see such a trend in Southern Lurish-Persian interactions. Why did you compare Feyli Lurish with Khorramabadi that are not neighbors? You can see the citations and referrences in the bottom part of Feyli Lurs paper. You can ask most Feylis in Iraqi side too. "Great Kurdistan" dreams swallow everyone and everything, what a voracious appetite!Ahad.r.fard (talk) 07:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... (your reason here) --31.57.39.97 (talk) 11:12, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... (your reason here) --151.239.71.61 (talk) 12:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC) This article try to introduce Feyli Kurds as Lurs. No Lur in Luristan , Charmahal va bakhtiari and Kohgeluieh va boyer ahmad in Iran consider himself as Feyli Kurd. All of them introduce themselves as Lur. Ilam and Kermanshah Kurds who had been under the control of Lur ruler for 4 centuries introduce theselves as Kurd. You can check wikipedia page for Kermanshah, Sarpolezahab,Ghasreshirin, Ilam, Islamabad, Gilanegharb , Eyvan , Malekshahi , Abdanan ,Sirvan and Chardavol. All of these regions didnt introduce themselves as Lur in Wikipedia page in contrast to what has been written in this page that Feylis introduce themselves as Lur. There is no Lurish clothing in above mentioned regions in contrast to what has been written in this page. in above mentioed regions some people use Kurdsih dress and some use Persian formal dress and no one dress Lurish dress. Lurish dress only is used in Luristan, Charmahal va Bakhtiari and Kohgiloieh and by some tribes (only some tribes ) in south of Ilam. Some tribes such as Shuhans, Selyverzis and Kaydkhordeh which comprise 10 % of Ilam province population.Feyli Kurds are Kurd not Lur. I am a Feyli Kurd. A comparison of words used by Feyli Kurd and Lur (Khoram abad Lurs) has been done as following:[reply]

Luri - Feyli Kurdish - sorani Kurdish dialect -Farsi - English

Miham - Toam/Xoazem - Detoam/damhavi- Mikham - want

RO - bechoo - bro- boro - go

Tash - agir -Agir- Atash - fire

jomah - Kerwas/shoy - Kerwas/kwa-jameh/pirhan - shirt

Moem - eishem - eishem- Migam - say

dard - jan/ish - jan/ish- dard - pain

omain - Hatin - Hatin- oomadan - come

Harden - xoarden - xoarden- xordan - eat

aftaw - Xoar - xoar-aftab/Khorshid - sun

XOAR - xoeishk - xoeishk-xahar - sister

bawa - bawk - bab-baba - father

verdashten- Halgirten-Halgirten- bardashtan- take

Chor- Miz- Miz- edrar- Urinate

giah/eshkam- zek- sek- shekam- belly

As you can see Lurish words are not similar to Feyli Kurdish words and Luri is very similar to Persian while Feyli Kurdish words are very similar to

Sorani Kurdish dialect.

Feyli Lurs are adjacent to Sorani Kurds and they're not Kurds at all

Both Lurish and Kurdish are Western Iranian languages. Feyli Lurish as the northest part of Lurish has affected on and has been affected by neighbour languages like Kurdish and Hawrami. You can also see such a trend in Southern Lurish-Persian interactions. Why did you compare Feyli Lurish with Khorramabadi that are not neighbors? You can see the citations and referrences in the bottom part of Feyli Lurs paper. You can ask most Feylis in Iraqi side too. "Great Kurdistan" dreams swallow everyone and everything, what a voracious appetite!Ahad.r.fard (talk) 07:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What is the meaning of adjecent , why do Luri words of Khoramabad, Dorud, Pol e doktar and .. are not similar to Feyli Kurds words and are not similar to Sorani Kurdish dialect when you claim that Feyli Kurds and Lurs are speak as same as each others.

Feyli Lur is a Fabricated name made by Luristan Lurs. Feyli Kurd is a common name used in literatures ,reports and articles. Feyli according to Iranica Encyclopedia from 200 years ago so far is used to describe Pust-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes. According to Iranica Encylipedia Pust-e Kuh tribes are Kurds and Mahakis (Beyray Kurd tribe). Wy do you try to made and fabricate a Feyli Lur name when polpulation in Ilam, Kermanshah and Iraqi Feyli Kurds consider and name themselves Feyli Kurd? . I will use the name Persian lurs to describe Luristani Lurs if you continue to use a Fabricated name of FEYLI Lur instead of Feyli Kurd. We suggests Wikipedia suspend your account and remove Fabricated Feyli Lur wikipedia article to prevent any edit by you and your coworkers. FEYLI lur article is silent try by Pan Lurs to deny Feyli Kurds identity just like old Lur ruler (Walis) who deliberately have tried to introduce Pust-e Kuh (ILAM) Kurd tribes as Lur tribes to all of travellers, writers and historian. You as a Lur are not allowed (are you lawyer of Feyli Kurds?), you are not a famous linguistic (if you claim that you are a famous lingustic please inform us and give us your published articles in international journals and demonstrate scientifically Feyli Kurds are not Kurd ) to decide and speak on behalf of Feyli Kurds and claim that Feyli Kurds are not Kurd??!! I can say Lurs are Persian . In Iran Lur population considered as Persia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.84.108 (talk) 07:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish is a Persian dialect

Persian. Kurdish Turkish English
Âb Âw Su Water
Šab Šaw Gece Night
Rûz Rúž Gön Day
Warzeš warzeš edman sport
Del del yurag heart
Dast dast el hand
To tu sen you
Sar sar baş head
Pa pe ayak foot
Zeban zeman dil language
Draz dréž uzun long

And all words altogether show that Kurdish is a dialect of Persian language. Despite this because of separation of some Kurdish societies from Iran, this dialect sometimes has been considered as a different language. --Shadegan (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -Shadegan for your comment. You have compared Persian,Kurdish , Turkish and English words and thereby concluded that Kurdish is similar to Persian and Kurdish can be considered as a dialect of Persian language. You are right and based on your conclusion Feyli Kurdish is similar to Sorani Kurdish and is more close to Sorani Kurdish than Luri

As you said Kurdish can be considered as a dialect of Persian language just like Luri. I am not advocating Kurds. I am Feyli Kurd and I try to focous only on identity of Feyli Kurds. Feyli Kurds are Shia and Northern Iraqi Kurd dont try to solve their problems. When i read Kurd massacre i see Northern Iraqi Kurds try to magnifiy Halabjeh massacre and undermine the massacre of Feyli Kurds i feel disappointment. I see an obvious discrimination between Northern Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Feyli Kurds. Be sure that I am not a Pan Kurd. I am an Iranian Shia Kurd and enjoy equality in Iran. Another question which can be asked is why all of kurds consider themselves as kurd ??? . There is no obligation for Kurmanj, Soran and Zaza, Feyli Kurd speakers to consider themselves as Kurd. Why do you try to obligate Ilami , Kermanshahi and other Feyli Kurds to accept they are Lur???. You can refer me to all of Books, articles and travelers daily writings from 400 years ago so far (400 years ago Pust-e Kuh was captured by Lur rulers). As you Know old local governments all over the world have tried to unify their people with different dialect and race. I am Feyli Kurd as I know all of Ilami and Kermanshahi Feyli Kurds (not Ilami Lurs) consider themselves as Shia Feyli Kurd and no one consider himself as Lur. What is your goal?? are you think that you can change the idea of Feyli Kurds to bring them in your group and organize them as Lur??. My brothers Please accept Feyli Kurds as Shia Kurds with historical ties with Lurs. Feyli Kurds are Part of Iran and followers of 12 Imam Shia. My grand father has died 70 years a go he didn't see any satellite program to be excited and name himself as Kurd but he has said that we are Shia Kurds (Kurmanji Khorasani Kurds are also Shia) and we are not Lur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.70.145 (talk) 09:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are denying all evident resources about our Lurishness

You are kidding! My example was a reply to your rambling about Lurish is avdialect of Persian! You had concluded because of some similarities Feyli Lurish is a Kurdish dialect and Lurish is a dialect of Persian! I'm sure that you are a Pan Kurd because you are denying evident realities about Feyli Lurs. You can have a look to the citations and referrences below this page. You can also search about Feyli Lurs via internet and find suitable and authentic sources for their Lurishness. Voracious appetite of expanding territories of so called "Great Kurdistan" will result in a virtual fratricide. Please don't deny our identity.--Shadegan (talk) 16:29, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no kidding Shagegan. You have expressed that using comparison you could find that Kurdish is similar to Persian and thus can be considered as a Persian dialect .I have compared Sorani ,Feyli Kurdsh and Luri to demonstrate that Feyli Kurdish is similar to Sorani Kurdish and different from Luri

Dear Shadegan

You can follow this address ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Iranian_languages) and see that Luri is a Southwestern Iranian language as a dialect of Farsi. In contrast to Luri (Khoram abadi, Bakhtiari and Kohgiluieh) Feyli Kurdish is classified as Northwestern I Iranian language. You are a Pan Lur that can not accept results of linguistics researches . This is your problem not mine. Can you change the opinion of linguistics to classify Feyli Kurds under Lurs ??. Please present your researches on Feyli Kurds and try to change the conclusion of linguistics from 100 years ago so far. It seems that you are trying to form a Great Luristan using Non-Lur tribes. Definitely you are completing the puzzle of Iran integrity enemies. Some Pan Kurds try to say that Lurs are Kurd and you try to help them because you say that Feyli Kurds are Lur. Based on your conclusion Pan Kurds will try to claim more territory because you are paving their way. Feyli Kurds are part of Kurdish community and you can not separate them from Kurds. If you claim that you are advocating the integrity of Iran dont let Pan Kurds to consider Lur territories (Khoram abadi, Bakhtiari and Kohgiluieh) as Kurdish regions. I am trying to say that Lurs (Khoram abadi, Bakhtiari and Kohgiluieh) are different from Feyli Kurds but you are trying to say that Lurs and Feyli Kurds are same things.Obviously you are trying to form a Great Luristan to present to Pan Kurds. I didn't deny identity of Lurs but you have tried to introduce us (Feyli Kurds) as Lur while we do not consider and didn't consider ourselves as Lur. Can you hear me Pan Lur?? We Feyli Kurds) are not Lur. Lurs are living in Khoram Abad, Boroujerd, Malayer, Nahavand, Dorud, Pole Dokhtar, Andimeshk, Some tribes in south of Ilam (only some tribes), Aligoudarz, Azna, Ardal, Farsan, Lordegan, Kiyar, Kohgilooieh and Boier Ahmad Province. You are not a Feyli Kurd , you are a Lur. Please dont consider yourself as a Feyli Kurd and dont say "we ". Because you are Lur and We are Kurd and you can not add Lurs to Feyli Kurds — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.74.109 (talk) 12:45, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please dont try to change the identity of Feyli Kurds ,Feyli Kurds are Shia (Like Kurmanji Khorasan Kurds who are also Shia) and enjoy equality in Iran.

Dear Lur

According to Encyclopedia Iranica During the two centuries in which the whole of Luristan was ruled by hereditary wālīs all the tribes in the region were called Feylī ( It can be concluded that all of tribes include Kurds and Lurs had been called Feyli).At the beginning of the 19th century, the situation changed. Moḥammad-ʿAlī Mīrzā, eldest son of Fatḥ-ʿAlī Shah Qājār (1212-50/1797-1834) and governor-general of Kermānšāh, seized Pīš-e Kūh (the eastern part of Luristan), leaving to the wālī only Pošt-e Kūh (the western part). Furthermore, according to Encyclopedia Iranica the name Feylī had been previously associated with the Solvīzī dynasty, it (or Feyli word) came to denote only those tribes in the Pošt-e Kūh (Ilam). Explicitly, Encylopedia Iranica indicates that from 200 years ago so far Feyli name has been attributed to Pusht-e Kuh or Ilam not Khoram Abad or what we know Lurisatn today. This Encyclopedia reports that The two major Feylī tribes in Pusht-e Kuh region (Ilam Province) are Kord and Mahakī (in other words the Encyclopedia confess that Ilami tribes are Kurds).If Ilami tribes were Lur why Iranica Encyclopedia didn't say that Ilami Tribes are Lur and in contrast to Pan Lurs propaganda over Lurish identiy of Ilam Encyclopedia Iranica has noted that Pusht-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes are Kord and Mahaki (Mahaki is Kurdish dialect of Beyray tribe in Ilam) . According to this encyclopedia Pusht-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes are Feyli (Because from 200 years ago up to now Feyli word exclusively hase been used to describe Ilam or Pusht-e Kuh not Khoram abad and Lurs) and to describe Feyli Kurds not Lurs. Nevertheless this Encyclopedia can cause some misunderstandings because it has noted that FEYLĪ, group of Lor tribes located mainly in Luristan (it means is old Luristan including Pish Kuh and Pusht-e Kuh). However, in second paragraph (Title: Feyli) Encyclopedia Iranica reports that Pusht-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes are Kurd not Lur. I suggest Wikipedia to remove fabricated Feyli Lur article because Feyli Lur article is a modified copy of documented Feyli Kurd article.

This is the correct name. This is what Iranica uses.Drako (talk) 20:07, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stop swallowing everyone and everywhere to expand so-called GREAT KURDISTAN!! territory!

Dear realistic Encyclopedia users, there, has been a page by the name: Feyli people but due to some ethnocentric efforts by some amateur users this name has changed to a challenging name Feyli Kurds!!!!. By the way, this caused a strong resistance and opposition notes by Lurish and realistic users of Wikipedia. As it is evident Feylis are and have been an integral part of Lurish community. For decades the title Kurd has attributed to Iranian nomads from total Iran plateau. This phrase included Persian, Lurish and other Iranian nomads. In case of Lurish people, due to signifcfgant similarities and interrelationships they were claimed several times by Kurdish authors to be a branch of so-called Greater Kurdistan. This claim was not welcomed by Lurish community. In Iraq, but the condition has been different. Historically due to bad behaviour received by Arab adjacent groups for centuries and decades (Saddam era cruelty and Anfal genocide tragedy are only a recently well-documented subject) and their significant similarities and interrelationships by their Kurdish adjacent communities, they oriented towards Kurdish integration although they have not denied their Lurish origins at all. I do not deny significant similarities between thesetwo ethnic groups, but historical and routine evidences confirm their Lurish identity.Shadegan (talk) 12:36, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Examine science-based valid papers and inserted referrences below the page instead of baseless indeterminate debates

The page Feyli Lurs is a very well-documented page. I think there is no doubt in Lurish identity of Feyli people.Mehramooz (talk) 13:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Encylopedia Iranica is fully reliable and well documented .

Encycopedia Iranica is a well documented and scientific reference (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/feyli--2). Furthermore, This Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Iranian_languages) indicates that Luri belongs to southwestern Iranian Language and Feyli Kurdish (Southern Kurdish) is a Northeastern Iranian Language. Do you think you are more inform than Encylopedia Iranica .You can claim that Wikipedia page needs edition , thus you can edit Wikipedia page title: Iranian Languages and move Feyli Kurdish beside Luri which has been classified as a dialect of Persian language. I am sure that you have no reliable document that based on it you can move Feyli Kurdish under Luri which has been classified as a dialect of Persian .This is not my fault that linguistics classified Feyli Kurdish as a Northeastern Language and also classified Luri as Southwestern group as dialect of persian. Please see Iranian Language Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Iranian_languages) and think about your claims on Lurish identity of Feyli Kurds. Finally, you can check the Wikipedia page for all of Ilam province cities such as Ilam, Eyvan, Sirvan, Chardavol , Malekshahi , .... . you can not see any word which show that the people live in this regions consider themselves as Lur. They are strongly disagree to be named Lur since they believe that their fathers and ancestors never said that they are Lur. Now, other readers can judge that your claims are baseless or what i have written. You can say that Feyli people can be divide to two groups Feyli Kurds (Pusht-e Kuh or Ilam province) and Feyli Lurs (Pish-e Kuh or Luristan province) because based on Encyclopedia Iranica During the two centuries in which the whole of Luristan was ruled by hereditary wālīs all the tribes in the region were called Feylī . It can be concluded that all of tribes include Kurds and Lurs had been called Feyli since in second paragraph Encyclopedia Iranica has noted that Pusht-e Kuh (Ilam) tribes are Kord and Mahaki (Mahaki is Kurdish dialect of Beyray tribe in Ilam). Here can i ask you what is your documented reference for your claims. Pleas dont refer me to Amanollahi, Baharvand and other Lur-Native authors. I prefer you present your documents from non Iranian linguistics who are not advocating Lurs. Moreover, you can show me your documents from Encylopedia Iranica??. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.239.72.88 (talk) 12:02, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]