Talk:Logging

Logging in Russia

The photo showing logging in Russia seem to show some kind of river scene near a town or city. Not only is there a "Lack of a riparian zone" the stumps seem to be missing as well.KAM 16:03, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Logging Railroads

This could be a fairly extensive bit of information (history, technology, maps, hopefully pictures of locos and steam donks; should it be a subsection here in "Logging" or should it be made its own page? Skookum1 00:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should go here. There is very little information in this article about logging KAM 23:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains, as well as, for example, and --GoDot 04:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Adding "Logging Types"

The current text under the "Logging Methods" section would be better described as "Logging Types". I propose adding the new heading "Logging Types" and putting all current text under "Logging Methods" under "Logging Types". I will add Logging Methods, such as conventional skidder logging, cable logging, helicopter logging and more. QuickDraw 06:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think you are right. But clearcut vs select cut are more about timber harvest or forestry then logging. Forestry and logging are closely related but separate things. Perhaps calling it harvest types? KAM 14:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good point. I wonder if a brief description of harvest types should be left in Logging, with a link and full description located under "Forestry"? This would be a major change to the article. Would want some concurrence from others before making such a change. QuickDraw 16:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps leave it on this page for now with a heading forest management. If the logging article grows later it could be a seperate article. Also I think that instead of clearcutting it should be called block selection when used in a managed forest to harvest timber. The term clearcutting by itself also sometimes refers to removal of the forest prior to conversion to another use or when harvesting takes place with no plans for regeneration . KAM 18:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Logging and erosion

"This type of clearcut area takes a longer time to regenerate forest and suffers more erosion than does mixed-stand clearcutting that leaves younger trees intact." - Erosion from logging is caused by roads and the machine use, not the removal of the stems. How can a clearcut cause more erosion? KAM 19:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

local populations of salmon and even subspecies have become extinct as a result. Can this be supported? Has it been shown that a subspecies has become extinct solely as a result of erosion from logging. KAM 16:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Log Skidder

Modern Log Skidder on clearcut plot - This photo doesn't look like a logging operation, no stumps, no slash, the land is bare soil, it looks like it the land is being cleared. I suppose that the when land is cleared for agriculture the first step is "logging' but that would not be a typical logging operation. KAM 00:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The area has been replanted. The only "cleared" area was the loading area (the highest spot), where the skidder was parked. You can see limb debris in the background.

I did not write the part about the damage from the soil disturbance. Interestingly, someone else observed this because the picture illustrates it. The higher ground became subject to a lot of erosion and the lower ground was deeply rutted. I have another photo of a skidder on an nearby site where the skidder's oil was changed by simply draining the old oil onto the ground. It's an example of poor logging practice and I'll post it sometime. Pollinator 04:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I see. I understand that in some operations particularly in the south the slash is chopped and ground up so it will lay close to the ground, As for showing extreme soil distrubance I've seen much worse, likely you have to. Thanks. KAM 19:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Format

This layout by method seem more logical to me. Conventional skidder logging, cable logging, helicopter logging can all be worked in here.KAM 13:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think perhaps Forest management, forest policy, silvicultural systems, clearcuts and select cut should all be one article. I would guess that many readers who come to "logging" are not interested in logging but forestry practices. Perhaps change the article "clearcut" to "Forest management" and move silvicultural systems from this artice there. The term clear-cut could redirect to the article "Forest management?? KAM 14:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved all the forestry info to wood management which perhaps should be renamed forest management. A lot of logging world-wide is done outside of managed forests, frontier logging, illegal logging, A few lines on that are needed somewhere. KAM 21:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No data

Surely some of the editors of this page can retieve some data about the size of the logging industry, sustainability forecasts (time of expected scarceness per region, or the like) and annual area logged. Dont you think? Any takers? Thanks!! Pablo2garcia 15:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, it does seem info about the logging industry should be here. As far as sustainability forecasts etc I agree that it is important but my view is that it is the subject of forest policy not logging. Forest policy is at the national or state level, forest management at forest level and finally loggging. KAM 12:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No log info

[[Image:prettyclearcut.jpg|thumb|Clearcuts in the [[Canadian Rockies]], from "Green Spirit: Trees are the Answer".]]

[[Image:Biodiversity_on_clearcut.jpg|thumb|right|Regeneration on a 15 year old coal mine]]

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Does not follow (non sequiter)

"The logging industry is often portrayed[3] in the media and popular culture as one of the most ecologically destructive corporate practices on earth. However, logging companies contend that despite some notable cases of severe environmental degradation, [...] requires more energy and non-renewable resources to produce than a house built with wood products"

Two wrongs do not make a right. Further, taken as a whole, the reference provided does not support the assertion. The paragraph needs improvement in order to conform well to WP:NPOV as well as WP:CITE. --GoDot 04:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Logging roads on its own page?

I was thinking that there is much more we can say about logging roads, but it probably should be on its own page rather than a page about logging. -Finn

Maybe, I was wondering about a section on Best Management Practices which is mostly concerned with roads. That could easily be a separate article. KAM 22:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]