Talk:Indie (culture)

Whoever wrote this article is an idiot

Uh, none of the bands mentioned in the article are, in fact, indie bands. (The Strokes? The Libertines? The Kinks? Pixies? LOL no) They're all with major labels. Hell, indie is not even a genre. So please, if you're going to write about it, make sure you know what you're writing about.

Is there a single verifiable fact in this article?

I can't tell that this entire article isn't original research. Do we have any reliable sources describing the "Indie culture" that we could cite? That list of external links at the bottom does basically nothing towards verifiability - see reliable sources again. Surely someone's documented "Indie" from a sociological perspective and published their work. If not, we don't get to do so here first. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

no, its as real a culture as any other. (if anyone could do better in explaining it, which I'm very certain can be done, go for it) John 02:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Based on the above comments, I added information around August and sourced it with references to blogs and catalogs (as there are no sociological documents available yet, to my knowledge). There were re-formatted during some heavy editing and subsequently later deleted, but I've just re-added them in the right formats. I'm still keeping an eye out for articles from mainstream media. -Lhall 07:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

deletion

I motion we delete this article -John 11:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree. If anything, the article Indie (music) is supposed to address half of this topic. WesleyDodds 01:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Clearly there's a difference between Indie culture and indie music, even if the former is the decendant of the latter--Anklepants 06:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The Indie (music) article isn't about a genre. It's about the concept of "indie" in music. What most people consider indie music is better known as some form of alternative rock such as indie rock. WesleyDodds 10:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand the premise of the Indie (music) article being about the concept of "indie" in music, and I had figured that this article, being called Indie (culture), was about that same concept, but applied to youth culture, so as to include things such as social behaviour, beliefs, fashion, etc. Thats something that the Indie (music) article doesnt cover, as its about the music --Anklepants 16:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The problme is the two main "indie" concepts listed here, music and film, aren't really related. It would be presumptuous to say the same type of person is interested in both. WesleyDodds 21:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, this article doesnt state that indie music and indie film are concepts, they are two meduims that the "indie" concept are applied to, just as it does to fashion and behaviour. Secondly, they are very closely related, as both indie music and indie film are two forms that follow the indie concept of distributing without the funding from the "Big Four" record labels/ "Big Six" film companies, and thus purposely distributing through independent companies--Anklepants 04:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't "indie culture" need some sort of parameters? No one has yet to define the term indie. I think we need a separate page purely describing the term "indie". Because Obviously, a dictionary definition is not enough. Right now, as it looks to me, describing "indie" culture would be like describing "white" culture. No one seems to agree that "indie" means just the dictionary definition, but no one has come up with any meaningful way of describing the "indie", outside of, "You can just feel it." Is there some way we can have a discussion on what "indie" really means, so we can settle this once and for all?

The most important thing here, is describing what "indie" is. How else are we going to figure out what the "indie" culture really is? --Aaripper 19:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh the IRONY!

It should probably be mentioned on this article that the term and the culture itself of INDIE has become mainstream, and is rampant in mainstream/media vocabularly for "cool" or "different". Indie as far as I know from a popular culture sense is the equivalent to what Punk is today. Piecraft 01:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

More criticisms

Whoever wrote the section on British Indie is rather ignorant, ignoring the Smiths(!) and including the Decemberists and the Shins, both from the Pacific States!

Merging Indie Kids here

I agree with the editor who put a merge message on the Indie kids article. Most of the content in that article was not up to Wikipedia standard, for facts and writing style. After deleting all the substandard content, the article became just a stub. It should be merged into Indie (culture).Spylab 14:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Spylab

Section for Criticism?

Is it worth putting a section for criticisms of indie at the bottom, seeing as this has been done for similar subcultures (ie. emo)? The point often made is that indie is a manufactured culture with no real substance, because the bands that lead it like Bloc Party and Razorlight are signed to major record labels. Also the idea of an indie stereotype is sort of contradictory etc. Surely this kind of thing should be represented? I don't know - i'm just thinking aloud, here. Leowatkins 23:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Books?

I noticed the lack of reference to written materials of the indie scene. Such as independently owned and operated bookstores, independent newspapers, etc. You know, real culture. 66.57.225.77 06:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

this is ludicrous

it's really hilarious, but quite clear that this article http://www.houseofemo.com/fashion-guide/emo-fashion-whores-check-out-these-bitchin-shoes.html certainly supports no claim about the individuality about indie -- it is either a piece of irony or demonstrates the massive conformity of this culture (no, i'm not going to do the necessary investigation to find out which) so either way it is quite clear that it should not be used in this manner