Talk:Exodus of Iranian Jews

Problems

• "Exodus"? Not in given citation. It was took from book Gatherings In Diaspora: Religious Communities and the New Immigration, chapter From the Rivers of Babylon to the Valleys of Los Angeles: The Exodus and Adaptation of Iranian Jews. Title is metaphor and it refers to Babylonia, there is no any "exodus" mentioned in all chapter related to Iran (pages 71-94).
• "Mass emigration"? According Iranian censuses, there were 62,258 Jews in 1976 and 26,354 in 1986, so migration of 35,000 people is "mass" emigration, an "exodus"? This is laughable because more Jews migrated from USA and few millions people migrated from Iran in 80's but Wikipedia doesn't have article about both events.
• Mentioning Jewish exodus from Arab countries is completely irrelevant for Iranian case, Iranian migration is more related to North American cases. However, Israeli user inserted even categories like 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Obivously, Greyshark09 has tried to make WP:SYNTH.
• "Religious intolerance"? Another laugable statement because none of 60,000 Jews were killed or hurt during Iranian revolution, none of religious building were destroyed, damaged or attacked. In fact, since revolution Jews acheived more rights like permanent members in Majlis. There's more active synagogues in Tehran (29) then in Rome or London. Even American Jewish authors reject such ridiculous claims about "intolerance".
• All rest content is nothing more then WP:OR since he's searching for numbers of Jewish population from various media articles, but there are censuses from Statistical Centre of Iran.

Since it's worthless, I'll redirect this article to History of the Jews in Iran. --HistorNE (talk) 02:23, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Additional informations from this talkpage, based on citations from article Israel ii. Jewish Persian Community, Encyclopædia Iranica, by David Yeroushalmi (do not confuse him with this namesake), Jewish Israeli professor from Tel Aviv University.

• Regarding numbers: Owing to emigration and natural growth, the number of Jews of Persian origin in Palestine is said to have reached 7,275 in 1926 and some 16,000 souls in 1935 ... An estimated population of some 20,000 to 30,000 Persian emigrants in 1948 ... According to official figures provided by Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics and by the Jewish Agency, the number of Persian immigrants who arrived in Israel between May 1948 through the end of December 1989 (i.e., the first decade of the Islamic Revolution in Iran) amounted to 74,148 souls. Considering Iranian censuses (62,258 in 1976; 26,354 in 1986), we get at least 52,000 Iranian Jews who emigrated from Iran during Pahlavi period just to Israel. From 1979 till today almost identical number emigrated from Iran to all other countries. If we consider thousands of Iranian Jews who migrated toward Western countries till 1979, there's no doubt more of them emigrated in Pahlavi then IRI period.
• Regarding motives: Moreover, because of a variety of historical conditions inside Persia, mainly the absence of state-wide persecution or popular harassment of Jews, freedom of movement and immigration from and into Persia during the years 1948-79 (and actual possibilities for immigration from Persia since the establishment of the Islamic Republic), the Persian immigrants who moved to Israel ordinarily did so out of their own free will. These immigrants, as well as those who settled in Mandatory Palestine, did not perceive themselves as victims, refugees or displaced individuals whose immigration was imposed on them by events or forces beyond their personal control.

Considering this, claims about some post-revolutional "mass-migration" driven by "religious intolerance" in complete nonsense and WP:OR based on non-reliable media outlets and bad math. Also, it's name is unsourced and politically motivated because all articles named as "exoduses" refers to expulsions. --HistorNE (talk) 05:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

It is fears of religious persecution, and the migration wave actually started prior to the Revolution. I don't understand what is your problem with the article. The migration of Iranian Jews from late 1970s is a distinct event from the Jewish exodus from Arab countries and happened for different reasons (and persecution is not the main one).GreyShark (dibra) 16:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

"Fears of religious persecution"? Says who, Fox News? I gave you academic sources which clearly states otherwise. According it, migrations are continious in past 100 years, about thousand emigrate per year. We already have two articles with almost same content: History of Jews in Iran and Persian Jews. Beside, you don't have to search media news to find precise number, all Iranian censuses are avaliable online. --HistorNE (talk) 13:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)