Talk:Joachim Hoffmann

reverted by 09:15, 2 March 2007 Constanz

The edits by an anonymous user do not cover hoffmann's life and work, but those who might have had minor connexions with the author. also wikipedia article says is to be avoided

I disagree that IS his life and work, his supporters, his promoters, his own statements and quotes from his own work.

| reverted by 09:15, 2 March 2007 Constanz 68.60.68.203 10:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:NOT#Soapbox. I've read Hoffmann's works and there is no hatred against jews as a nationality; Hoffmann is certainly merely anti-communist. He does not justify Holocaust, nor does he jsutify Nazi leadership and its acts. Let us stop such nonsense. Constanz - Talk 10:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

your saying I'm on a soapbox by quoting his own book!!!! all I wrote is sourced check for yourself. And just where did you read that I said anything about him hating anybody. I wrote he was known as virulently anti-soviet and anti-russian holocoaust denier The stuff he said about Jews is his own. The people he defended were his own choice and his own testimonal. If you don't like the russian comment change it. These actions and these people are EVERYTHING to do with Hoffmann. thank you 68.60.68.203 11:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear about this: in a Criminal Trial of Holocaust Deniers, (who by the way, in spite of his defense were convicted of race persecution for that very reason ), in Germany, he defends them by citing himself to the court, in this very book for which he is most known, his very own 'Stalin’ s War of Extermination' that it was the Infamous Soviet minister of propaganda (the, as we both know Jew ) Ilya Ehrenburg who came up with the figure of six million.Not content with that He states IN HIS SWORN DEPOSITION to a court of Law that (the Jew )The very Ehrenburg who we all now know,INVENTED this six million dead, was ordered to incite a boundless national and racial hatred against all Germans.(and, I guess we are to infer, not the other way around -but who cares, given the Jew Ehrenburg's "years-long unbridled frenzies of hatred " ) This is standard "revisionist" holy gospel found in a thousand screeds all over the internet. But if I am to believe you mean it, His sworn testimony in this case does not cover Hoffmann's life and work(09:15, 2 March 2007 Constanz). Nor does presumably, the fact of his documented association with all of the disseminators and publishers of his work who are all notorious holocaust deniers bare relevance. Who else would deliver up his equanimious thoughts for the public? According to his fellow denier Daniel Michael, who reviewed his famous book on the famous denier website Institute for Historical Review (started by neo-nazi Willis Carto) Jews were very much involved in murderous assignments during the war But the ever gracious " merely anti-communist"( Constanz Wikipedia:NOT#Soapbox ) Hoffmann hastens to add that the criminal actions of individual Jews should no more reflect on the Jewish people as a whole than the criminal actions of individual Nazis on the German people. Yes "Let us stop such nonsense" 68.60.68.203 12:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"hastens to add that the criminal actions of individual Jews should no more reflect on the Jewish people as a whole than the criminal actions of individual Nazis on the German people." this as a point of FACT is 'Stalin’s War of Extermination' equating the actions of Soviet Jews with those of the Nazis.68.60.68.203 12:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

aniti-communism Hoffmann style

Seit Monaten wird die Veröffentlichung »Stalins Vernichtungskrieg 1941- -1945« des ehemaligen wissenschaftlichen Direktors des Militärgeschichtlichen Forschungsamtes (MGFA) Joachim Hoffmann in der Öffentlichkeit diskutiert. Hoffmann vertritt dort die sog. Präventivkriegsthese. Demnach sei Hitler mit dem »Unternehmen Barbarossa« 1941 einem Angriff durch die Sowjetunion nur kurz zuvorgekommen. Zudem äußert sich Hoffmann auch zum »Auschwitzproblem« und zur »Gasangelegenheit«, für die er »letztlich keine Beweise habe finden können. Bei der Zahl von sechs Millionen ermordeter Juden handele es sich ,um eine Zahl der Sowjetpropaganda'«

(DIE TAGESZEITUNG vom 27. Dezember 1995).

For months the publication of "Stalins war of extermination 1941 - -1945 "by former scientific director of the Military-historical office for research (MGFA) Joachim Hoffmann has been publicly debated. Hoffmann represents the so-called Preventive war thesis. Therefore, Hitler with the "operation Barbarossa" 1941 only briefly forestalled an attack by the Soviet Union . Also Hoffmann is outspoken about the "Auschwitz problem" and the "matter of the gas", for which he could find in the long run no proof. On the number of six million murdered Jews he attributes it to a number of Soviet propaganda'"

(the DAILY PAPER from 27 December 1995). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.68.203 (talk) 20:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

If you had actually read Hoffmann's book, instead of some (a few) slanderous book reviews, you'd know that he disputed the 6 million victims in Auschwitz only, not the fact that at least 6 million Jews were murdered (taken together all the death camps). And Hoffmann was merely pointing at other authors' findings (recent dispute), since he was himself no big specialist in the 'statistics' of Auschwitz. Constanz - Talk 10:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The ABC's of Auschwitzleugner H is for Hoffmann

[1] Joachim Hoffmann Ein Gutachten für Germar Rudolf

[2] P is for Präventivkriegsthese

Die Präventivkriegsthese und die Problematik des 22. Juni 1941

von: Janina Kraus

1. Fachsemester

Inhalt

1. Einleitung S. 3

2. Die Präventivkriegsthese S. 4

3. Vertreter der Präventivkriegsthese S. 6

3.1 Ernst Topitsch S. 7 3.2 Joachim Hoffmann S. 8 3.3. Viktor Suworow S. 8 3.4 Die Argumentationsmuster der Vertreter S. 10

4. Mängel in den Arbeiten der Historiker S. 11

4.1 Hitlers Motivation S. 11 4.2 Fehlerhafter Umgang mit Quellen S. 12

5. Fazit S. 14

6. Literatur S. 15

6.1. Primärliteratur S. 15 6.2. Sekundärliteratur S. 15 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.68.203 (talk) 00:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]