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United States recognizes Moldovans as an ethnic group

See Emigration/Romanian Ancestry:

The 2001 Statistical Yearbook mentions that 13039 Moldovans and 75832 Romanians received asylum green cards between 1946-2001, that 218 Moldovans and 2818 Romanians entered the US in 2001 on study visas, that 105 Moldovans and 1457 Romanians resided in the US in 2001 on H-1B visas.

According to the "Legal Immigration To California" reports: 989 Romanians and 261 Moldovans emigrated in FFY96 to California according to FFY96 report which draws the data out of INS public use tape FFY96. Also, 828 and 824 Romanians, 308 and 107 Moldovans emigrated to California in 1997 and 1998 respectively according to FFY97/98 report.

2001: 781 Romanian and 47 Moldovan kids were adopted by US citizens (according to the 2001 Statistical Yearbook, table 15)

To say that they're recognized only in the former USSR would be misleading. —Khoikhoi 19:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

You are mixing up citizenship and ethnicity. As immigrants, those people are what their documents say they are, and their documents do not indicate ethnicity. Dahn 19:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think the Moldovans the source is referring to includes Russians and Ukranians, the website seems to be about people of Romanian ancestry, and that would include Romanian Moldovans, but not Slavic Moldovans (or Turkic). —Khoikhoi 19:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the link itself indicates that it does not consider Moldovans an ethnic group, but citizens of Moldova. They are all considered "of Romanian ancestry", and divided into "MD-born immigrants" and "RO-born immigrants". Where does this site indicate that it considers Moldovans anyhting but citizens of Moldova? Dahn 19:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

False, the link you give contains non-official data. I provided the official data from census.org earlier in this page. Dpotop 19:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

All the headers within the official government file are similar to this one "TABLE 3. IMMIGRANTS ADMITTED BY REGION AND COUNTRY OF BIRTH FISCAL YEARS 1992-2002—Continued" They all simply include country of birth and not ethnicity. Regarding Moldovans as Romanians has been the official policy of the US for a long period. TSO1D 19:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. Is there a source for Brazil? —Khoikhoi 21:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Brazil is not an english-speaking country. Therefore, the english minority name "Moldovan" cannot exist in Brazil. See the discussion upper this page. (recall that this argument has been used when deciding that Moldova is different from Moldavia, the fact that only English use is meaningful on en.wiki). Dpotop 21:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand this argument. The Republic of Moldova is not an English-speaking country either, yet a Moldovan ethnonym does exist, namely "Moldovean". Look at the equivalent of this article in Portuguese here. TSO1D 21:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

So would "Moldávios" be on the Brazilian census? Also, I hope the new images aren't seen as an attempt to separate Moldovans from Romanians (making it seem like they have a completely different history). I'm afraid I'm going to be accused of being a Stalinist again... —Khoikhoi 22:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I actually have no idea about that. Some states like Romania and the US automatically include Moldovans under the Romanian category. Other states, such as Russia and the Ukraine separate the two. I do not know what Brazil's policy on the matter is. TSO1D 23:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I had addressed this in my reply to the initial post about Brazil, Khoikhoi. The text is ambiguous and even anachronistic. If this is the way Moldovans are defined in Brazil (if the Brazil gvt. does indeed bother), it is of little relevance. Dahn 23:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there any way we could see the official census data, however? —Khoikhoi 23:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

All I could find was this:

"Record de Legalizações. Ao longo do ano 2001 legalizaram-se em Portugal, ao abrigo do novo Decreto Lei de Imigração (4/2001 de 10 de janeiro), com “Autorização de permanência”, perto de 130.000 imigrantes. A saber, citando apenas as comunidades com mais de 1.000 imigrantes regularizados: 42.252 ucranianos, 22.426 brasileiros, 8.404 moldavos, 6.926 romenos, 5.174 cabo-verdianos, 4.777 russos, 4.723 angolanos, 3.203 chineses, 3.082 guineenses (Bissau), 2.784 paquistaneses, 2.670 indianos, 1.506 são tomenses, 1.465 búlgaros, 1.178 guinenses (Conacri). Juntando este número aos 22.456 cidadãos estrangeiros legalizados em Portugal até 31.12.2000, pode-se dizer que a população legal residente no país poderá atingir o meio milhão, nos próximos dois anos."[1]

It refers to people who were allowed to settle (imigrantes regularizados) in Brasil, but have remined citizens of other countries. The lead here is obviously citzenship, and there is no indication of what they decalre themselves. All other variants of the word Moldovan in Portuguese, coupled with "Brasil" and "censo", do not show any results.official site of the 2000 census does not seem to have any data on ethnicities - if there are, I could not find any. Dahn 23:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

This is really getting ridiculous. So now we have pictures eh? Well sorry to distrub the Neo-Stalinist Commie camp but first of all this article is about a debate on the Moldovan ethnicity, not an ethnic group per se, second of all even if Moldovans were an ethnic group, Stephan the Great is not an ethnic Moldovan since he lived in a time way before nationalism came about. Cebotari considered herself a Romanian and so did Mihai Eminescu (after all it is he who wrote "Noi suntem Romani si Punctum!/We are Romanians, period!" and "Ce-ti doresc eu tie Dulce Romanie, Tara mea de glorii, tara mea de dor/What I wish you thy Romania, my sweet country, blah blah". Dapiks 23:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)