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Tabloids, should be used with caution, in particular in [[WP:BLP|BLPs]]. If material published in a Salon.com is not available '''from any other source whatsoever''', and that material is controversial, great caution should be excercised by editors. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Jossi|@]]</small> 02:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC) |
Tabloids, should be used with caution, in particular in [[WP:BLP|BLPs]]. If material published in a Salon.com is not available '''from any other source whatsoever''', and that material is controversial, great caution should be excercised by editors. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Jossi|@]]</small> 02:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::This was also discussed by Jon Friedman who called Salon.com a ''"witty web site"'' that ''"thrives on liberal politics"''. And David Talbot (founder of ''Salon.com'') called ''Salon.com'' a ''"progressive, smart tabloid"'' [http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B3913C6C3-A3D1-4C3F-9B24-8DBA75D3894F%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=nbi]. [[User:SSS108|SSS108]] <sup>[[User talk:SSS108|talk]]-[[Special:Emailuser/SSS108|email]]</sup> 03:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Claimed awards
from http://www.salon.com/press/awards/index.html retrieved 9 Novemeber 2006
2004 "Outstanding Digital Journalism Article" | GLAAD "Outstanding Journalist" (David Talbot) | Carr Van Anda Award
2003 "Top 100 Classics" (News & Entertainment categories) | PC Magazine "Feature Journalism -- Independent" | Online Journalism Awards
2002 "Best Print and Zine" | Webby Awards "Best 50 Web Sites" | Time Magazine "Best of the Web | Book Clubs" Forbes "Outstanding Digital Journalism Overall Coverage" | GLAAD
2001 "Best Online Magazine" | Yahoo Internet Life "Top 100 Websites" | PC Magazine "Outstanding Digital Journalism Article" | GLAAD "Best Independent Enterprise Journalism" | Online Journalism Awards
2000 "General Excellence" | Online Journalism Awards "Enterprise Journalism " | Online Journalism Awards "Best Technology Site" and "Best Parenting Site" | Forbes "Best of the Web -- Media, Politics" | Brill's Content "Best Online Magazine" | Boston Phoenix "Outstanding Digital Journalism Article" | GLAAD
1999 "David Talbot, 20 Stars of the New News" | Newsweek "Best Online Magazine" | Webby Awards "Top of the Net" | Yahoo Internet Life
1998 "Best Online Magazine" | Webby Awards "Best of Multimedia" | Entertainment Weekly "Top of the Net" | Yahoo Internet Life
1997 "Best Online Magazine" | Webby Awards "Cool Site of the Year" | U.S. News & World Report "Best of the Web" | Business Week "Best Website" | Entertainment Weekly "Best Online Magazine of the Year" | Advertising Age "Top of the Net" | Yahoo Internet Life
1996 "Web Site of the Year" | Time Magazine "Cool Web Designers of the Year" | Cool Site of the Day
Staff list
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Salon.com - A tabloid?
According to Salon.com editor in chief David Talbot:
Is Salon more tabloid-like? Yeah, we've made no secret of that. I've said all along that our formula here is that we're a smart tabloid.[1]
Tabloids, should be used with caution, in particular in BLPs. If material published in a Salon.com is not available from any other source whatsoever, and that material is controversial, great caution should be excercised by editors. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Context is needed to ask this question
This is not a black and white question. And the question should not be "Is Salon.com a reliable source?" The question needs to be made in the context of a specific content dispute:
- Is Salon.com the only source available for the disputed material?
- If the answer is yes, use with caution, or maybe do not use at all, in particular if the material is highly controversial;
- If the answer is no, use a more reliable source such as a mainstream newspaper, or better, a scholarly source, if availabe.
≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Question To Be Asked
Andries, you are confusing Salon.com with the Salon.com article by Goldberg. The question that should be asked is: Are ALL of Salon.com articles to be considered reliable despite the fact that they refer to themselves as an online tabloid? It is clear that when it comes to critical, negative and potentially libelous information, WP:BLP and WP:RS lay out specific guidelines to determine the reliability of an article. I think it is abundantly clear that this Salon.com article does not fulfill Wikipedia's requirements because: 1) The online article in question has never been referenced by other reputable media; 2) It was written like (and sounds like) a tabloid article and 3) It contains negative, critical and potentially libelous information (which would require multiple sources to establish its reliability according to WP:BLP and WP:RS). Just because Salon.com may generally be considered reliable does not make ALL their online tabloid articles reliable. Goldberg's article, in my opinion, falls into the category of unreliable articles. SSS108 talk-email 03:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)