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The article is based on information from Russian sources exclusively, which are either government controlled or sponsored. It has been created with a sole purpose to portray Zapad 2017 military exercises as minor and defensive, while neutral sources provide radically different information: offensive and among the largest exercises in history. Both views should be represented in the article: information provided by Russian Ministry of Defense and Russian media, along with information and reports coming from other sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:20000roads|20000roads]] ([[User talk:20000roads#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/20000roads|contribs]]) 14:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
The article is based on information from Russian sources exclusively, which are either government controlled or sponsored. It has been created with a sole purpose to portray Zapad 2017 military exercises as minor and defensive, while neutral sources provide radically different information: offensive and among the largest exercises in history. Both views should be represented in the article: information provided by Russian Ministry of Defense and Russian media, along with information and reports coming from other sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:20000roads|20000roads]] ([[User talk:20000roads#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/20000roads|contribs]]) 14:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Suggesting addition of the following sections to the article: |
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- Personnel and equipment estimates by independent sources. It's because Russian MOD and state-controlled media have a history of deliberately presenting false numbers. |
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<ref>https://jamestown.org/program/what-do-the-zapad-2013-exercises-reveal-part-one/</ref> |
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<ref>http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-troops-syria-port-tartus-2012-3</ref> |
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<ref>https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/#76d41f0d9c58</ref> |
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- Goals of the exercises as seen by independent experts and observers, in addition to whatever is stated by Russian media or military. |
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<ref>http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russias-massive-zapad-military-exercises-scare-the-world-20199</ref> |
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- Opinions and speculations about possible outcomes of the exercise, as Russia is know for starting wars under the cover of exercises: |
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<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War</ref> |
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<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/russia-military-exercises-ukraine-border</ref> |
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== Pence's trip july 2017 == |
== Pence's trip july 2017 == |
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Revision as of 22:44, 31 July 2017
NPOV dispute
The article is based on information from Russian sources exclusively, which are either government controlled or sponsored. It has been created with a sole purpose to portray Zapad 2017 military exercises as minor and defensive, while neutral sources provide radically different information: offensive and among the largest exercises in history. Both views should be represented in the article: information provided by Russian Ministry of Defense and Russian media, along with information and reports coming from other sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20000roads (talk • contribs) 14:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Suggesting addition of the following sections to the article: - Personnel and equipment estimates by independent sources. It's because Russian MOD and state-controlled media have a history of deliberately presenting false numbers. [1] [2] [3] - Goals of the exercises as seen by independent experts and observers, in addition to whatever is stated by Russian media or military. [4] - Opinions and speculations about possible outcomes of the exercise, as Russia is know for starting wars under the cover of exercises: [5] [6]
Pence's trip july 2017
Pence's visit cited as result of zapad. This needs mention in article.
Mike Pence in Estonia to ease Russia concerns in Baltic
Pence visiting Estonia, Georgia and Montenegro to signal support and draw line under perceived aggression from Moscow.
- ^ https://jamestown.org/program/what-do-the-zapad-2013-exercises-reveal-part-one/
- ^ http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-troops-syria-port-tartus-2012-3
- ^ https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/#76d41f0d9c58
- ^ http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russias-massive-zapad-military-exercises-scare-the-world-20199
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
- ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/russia-military-exercises-ukraine-border