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:::The current discussion is on the best way to include a particular claim by Karchmar which is disputed in other sources. I shall not stop discussing this on your "orders", as you are not authorized to give any, even were you recognized in your role as self-proclaimed "mediator". And you are not. I find your most recent threats and orders, completely detached from any Wikipedia policy, quite assuming and offensive indeed. I have not done anything. And you may rest assured I will not take any sanction sitting down. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 16:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
:::The current discussion is on the best way to include a particular claim by Karchmar which is disputed in other sources. I shall not stop discussing this on your "orders", as you are not authorized to give any, even were you recognized in your role as self-proclaimed "mediator". And you are not. I find your most recent threats and orders, completely detached from any Wikipedia policy, quite assuming and offensive indeed. I have not done anything. And you may rest assured I will not take any sanction sitting down. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 16:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::DIREKTOR everybody - including you - agreed to a set of rules about discussions in order to avoid the long, unsourced, pointless and repetitive arguments that characterize these Balkans articles. (The new draft was not unlocked until this was done). You made a series of extreme, unsourced statements about the reliability of a source (Karchmar) for which, despite repeated requests, you have failed to provide any supporting evidence. The ensuing "discussion" took up pages and pages of text and included you repeatedly ignoring requests for sources and making offensive personal remarks about other editors which impugned their integrity and basic understanding. Other editors have wasted time and effort hunting evidence relevant to these supposedly well known views on Karchmar. The net result is that you do not appear to stand by those rather extreme claims. Why were they made? Why have we all had to waste this time and effort on this? Your method of laying down the law in repetitive, patronising and aggressive statements in which you claim you are backed by sources which you then fail to produce (a procedure you are also currently following on the Nedic's Serbia naming issue) is not acceptable and isn't going to work any more. That is why the discussion on the Mihailovic page is taking place under agreed rules and that is why people keep reminding you of ARBMAC sanctions. Please start taking these issues seriously if you wish to continue editing articles on this topic.[[User:Fainites|Fainites]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Fainites|barley]]</small></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Fainites|<small>scribs</small>]] 17:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
::::DIREKTOR everybody - including you - agreed to a set of rules about discussions in order to avoid the long, unsourced, pointless and repetitive arguments that characterize these Balkans articles. (The new draft was not unlocked until this was done). You made a series of extreme, unsourced statements about the reliability of a source (Karchmar) for which, despite repeated requests, you have failed to provide any supporting evidence. The ensuing "discussion" took up pages and pages of text and included you repeatedly ignoring requests for sources and making offensive personal remarks about other editors which impugned their integrity and basic understanding. Other editors have wasted time and effort hunting evidence relevant to these supposedly well known views on Karchmar. The net result is that you do not appear to stand by those rather extreme claims. Why were they made? Why have we all had to waste this time and effort on this? Your method of laying down the law in repetitive, patronising and aggressive statements in which you claim you are backed by sources which you then fail to produce (a procedure you are also currently following on the Nedic's Serbia naming issue) is not acceptable and isn't going to work any more. That is why the discussion on the Mihailovic page is taking place under agreed rules and that is why people keep reminding you of ARBMAC sanctions. Please start taking these issues seriously if you wish to continue editing articles on this topic.[[User:Fainites|Fainites]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Fainites|barley]]</small></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Fainites|<small>scribs</small>]] 17:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::Fainites, you simply did not bother to read my posts in any detail. And neither did Sunray, considering the fact that he thought I was lobbying for Karchmar's removal. I made it clear, continuously and repeatedly, that my position is NOT to exclude Karchmar, and that my request to have ''this particular claim'' of his attributed to him in the text is based on objective data from peer review and other sources - not my own opinion. The fact that he's known in general as a pro-Chetnik source, is something I wanted to let all of you know. But I am an educated person, Fainites, and I certainly don't expect anyone to take my word or his "reputation" as a reason to disregard him as a source. If you want confirmation of Karchmar's reputation, here's a response to Wikipedia's Draža Mihailović article from the [http://rbih-free.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html Srebrenica genocide] blog. He does have that reputation, and I wanted to inform other participants of it - I did not and do not consider that grounds for his removal. |
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:::::As for the above, I am not disputing the rules themselves, I don't know why you're going on about that. I do, however, refuse flat out to stop discussing the best way to address the disagreement between Karchmar and other sources. Sunray quite unambiguously "ordered" me to stop discussing any subject related to Karchmar on pain of sanctions - for no good reason and without any connection to either Wiki policy or The Ground Rules - on grounds that he will consider such discussion as "disruptive". How can you defend that, honestly? --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 19:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. of utmost importanceBro, I feel their pain. [1] Howabout you?? (LAz17 (talk) 05:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)). Over limit postsYou have exceeded the limit of three posts per day, as agreed in the Terms of Discussion for the Draža Mihailović talk page. Please refrain from further discussion for today. Sunray (talk) 21:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
sjdfljsglhsjkfhghjflajfldshgslkajgSretan ti dan borca buraz! LAz17 (talk) 03:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC) Personal attackNuujinn has requested that you remove recent personal attacks. I am concerned about the tone of this post (third paragraph), and this, which I regard as a personal attack directed at Nuujinn. You also state: "And should you proceed with it regardless I reserve the right to list all historians I can find that make no mention of Karchmar's theories." This kind of threat is contrary to our terms of discussion and both it and the attack demonstrably violate WP:ARBMAC. Consider this a warning. I suggest that you remove the paragraph in question, apologize to Nuujinn and move on. The discussion had been proceeding well until this, I hope that you will continue in a more positive and constructive vein. Sunray (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
WP Croatia in the Signpost"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Croatia for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 14:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC) The Bugle: Issue LXIV, June 2011
WarningI view your continued dispute of use of Karchmar as a source here, despite requests by other editors and myself to support your claims, and my subsequent request to cease the discussion, as disruptive and a violation of WP:ARBMAC. Consider this a warning. If you believe I am mistaken and wish to continue with this assertion about Karchmar, you may, in accordance with the "terms of discussion" (#6) on the talk page, present your case at WP:RSN. Sunray (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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